Liz on what it's like to be tortured by Bernie's minions.

[nolabear]

Pay attention.

Link to tweet

[TwilightZone]

1. Seems to be getting a lot of attention.

Long thread on it from earlier:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287637395

[nolabear]

3. Ah. Good.

[LaurenOlimina]

2. Yeah, she is not endorsing Sanders....

[squirecam]

4. I wished she had said this during the debates.

It may have changed the race.

[LaurenOlimina]

5. When she endorses Biden, RIGHT before Michigan, it will

[squirecam]

6. I don't think she will endorse.

I also don’t think Biden needs it at this point. Warren is better off, at this point, staying out of it, just like Obama. They can both play unifiers at the convention.

[LonePirate]

11. Agreed. She should remain neutral until the nominee has been chosen.

Her power is now with unifying the party. She is also there waiting in the wings if something were to happen to the nominee, health wise.

If the eventual nominee wins, she likely becomes the most powerful person in the Senate as we will likely have the majority. If our nominee loses, she becomes the most powerful elected person in the party. Either way, she has enormous goodwill as a tailwind and all sorts of potential to shape the party’s agenda in the future.

[squirecam]

13. She inherits the progressive part of the party.

I’d like to see her as majority leader quite frankly.

[LaurenOlimina]

19. Well, it would sway my vote.

So that's one in the Bernie column if she doesn't do it before Ohio.

[squirecam]

20. Race will be over mathematically if Sanders loses Michigan.

But you should vote with your heart. Or head.

Either works.

[LaurenOlimina]

21. Don't worry, Biden's my fifth choice.

[squirecam]

22. He was my fourth.

Michelle Obama (fantasy - she’d never run though)
Sherrod Brown - never decided to run. Sad, he’d be great.
Amy Klobuchar - shoulda won in a better world. Most qualified (NYT) Hopefully is VP.
Biden

[LaurenOlimina]

25. I like all of those choices.

Too bad Sherrod Brown sat it out. I like him a lot.

I can't really get behind Klobuchar or Harris, though I sent Harris a few bucks early on. I think conviction records as a prosecutor are a liability.

Maybe Biden will pick Michelle as VP. I can keep dreaming.

[squirecam]

26. I love Harris as AG.

Prosecuting the trump criminals.

Brown would be 70 in 2024. There is time for him to still be president in the future.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. This! 👍

[William769]

7. She just dropped a

[NYMinute]

15. She actually anti-endorsed Bernie

"We as leaders should take responsibility for people who are our supporters"

"This problem was observed ONLY with Sanders' supporters"

"We talked about it. It was SHORT" (meaning Bernie pooh poohed it)

[William769]

16. That was the bomb she dropped.

[NYMinute]

18. Yep ... she is incredibly smart

[BigmanPigman]

31. Clever and smart move on her part...

just as I'd expect from her. She has class!

[lark]

42. In a perfect world, she'd be my candidate, but this world is damaged, needs repairing.

I love her policies & personality, but I love Joe as our candidate because he will bring in more people and we are facing an existential threat if drumpf & Russian Repugs retain the WH & Senate.

[BigmanPigman]

43. In a perfect world

people would vote for the candidate's policies without consideration of gender, race, religion, age, education, etc and not to save the country and planet. This sucks that I will not see the "perfect outcome" in my country and in my lifetime.

[Doremus]

45. Who's he going to bring in? Republicans?

Who is Joe going to unite? Democrats? We do a pretty good job of that every election. Republicans? For fucks sakes, they'll spit on him just like Obama.

Who? Who is the great uniter going to unite?

[betsuni]

8. K&R

[TomCADem]

9. The 'swarm': How a subset of Sanders supporters use hostile tactics to drown out critics

Bernie Sanders spent months pretending that his supporters were not engaging in hostile tactics even though their behavior is no different from how they acted in 2016.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/bernie-sanders-social-media-attacks-invs/index.html

(CNN)When the progressive Working Families Party announced its endorsement of Sen. Elizabeth Warren for president in September, anger reverberated across the SandersForPresident Reddit page for days.

One of the Reddit group's then-300,000 members encouraged fellow supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders to "spy" on the Working Families Party's activities and "organize counter events."

On Twitter, Sanders supporters lobbed hundreds of critical messages at the Working Families Party or its leadership, which included personal attacks that called them "corrupt," "shameless" and "bloodless scumbag hacks." One pro-Sanders account tweeted that "slave masters" had coerced the support of the party's national director, who is African American.

Three days after the endorsement, a WFP spokeswoman tweeted a screenshot of one message that wished she and her colleagues would "all get cancer you are f**king trash." She also said they received private messages saying "eat sh*t and die" and "drop dead dumb c*nts."

[rusty quoin]

10. I never see any fight with Democrats as a real fight.

I look to the big picture.

[NYMinute]

17. So you're ok with the behavior of Sanders' supporters on line as Sen Warren mentioned?

[rusty quoin]

23. Yes. You need to ignore some family members at thanksgiving.

They are family and will always be.

Much closer are Democrats and Bernie. So, try to be more open, I think. We cannot divide as a group. The Democratic Party may be divided, but we are on the same side.

[NYMinute]

24. These are not family people in a small gathering

They are broadcasting vile thoughts, threats and intimidation to the whole world

[Clash City Rocker]

37. They aren't members of any family I belong to

They certainly aren’t Democrats, or they wouldn’t behave this way. Most of those goons are anarchists who just live to stir up trouble, especially the ones threatening violence.

[rusty quoin]

46. Oaky dokey

[frazzled]

12. OK, I feel somewhat vindicated

In another thread, on the subject of sexism directed against Elizabeth Warren, I made an argument that ended up concluding that the preponderance of sexist antipathy was coming from the camp of the only other remaining “progressive” campaign. They were her competitors for progressive bragging rights.

In response to some comments, I walked that back. Now, based on EW’s own views, I guess I can walk back that walk back.

[squirecam]

14. Yes

These same people who claim to be the most progressive are also the most sexist.

Crazy, isn’t it.

[DanieRains]

27. Yes It Is Sad So Many Angry Supporters Of Bernie Know The Pillaging Of Their Families Will Continue

As the oligarchs WHO RUN THE PLANET will be practically unopposed.

Very few people have the gumption to stand up against their wealth and their power.

Few non Sanders Supporters understand why anyone would be angry about seeing the fruits of their labor being eaten by stockholders, and not their families.

I STRONGLY support Bernie, but I like Joe, Barack, Elizabeth, and the rest. I support Bernie because he (and Elizabeth too) have the courage to point out the massive corruption of money in our nation, our politics, and in our/my party. I am a Roosevelt Democrat. I work my ass off and pay up to ten times as much as other nations for my pills because of CORRUPTION.

I don't condone disgusting attacks on Democrats even moderate, centrist, or opposed Democrats. Republicans (in office) do and say anything you want. They are all truly scum. Some former Republicans have come to Jesus or something, and I appreciate their voices. Steele, Wallace, Jolley, and a few others. They never seem to talk about the voter suppression but anything is better than nothing.

I still understand the anger by the Bernie People. Some folks are tired of being robbed blind, and left for dead if they get sick. We can't all be John Q.

[nolabear]

29. You make a decent case. Your candidate could learn some things.

I sympathize with the anxieties and desires. I share them. I see a somewhat different path. But I cannot fathom not literally disowning supporters who treat people the way a surprising number of his followers do.

[showblue22]

35. A leader should make the case for the people without stoking anger.

That's how I see it. Stoking anger on the electorate is never a good strategy.

[ehrnst]

40. "Few non Sanders Supporters understand why anyone would be angry

about seeing the fruits of their labor being eaten by stockholders, and not their families."

I still understand the anger by the Bernie People. Some folks are tired of being robbed blind, and left for dead if they get sick. We can't all be John Q.

So you're saying anyone who doesn't support Bernie can't possibly be a progressive, or have any possible understanding of the issues the Democratic Party was working on since before Bernie ran for Congress?

That's a False Dilemma fallacy, and doesn't really support the sincerity of your plea for everyone to "be nice."

[LanternWaste]

41. I dig how you rationalize poor behavior as some new strain of courage.

I imagine three or four people may even buy that bill of goods.

[Cha]

28. Thank you for not holding back, Elizabeth!

[ramen]

30. It is impossible to disagree with her.

There has been some truly vile bullshit on the part of Sanders' supporters. Let's avoid making the same mistake twice or more. Goddamn UNITE

[Upthevibe]

33. This was so very upsetting...

As someone else mentioned above, I don't think she'll be endorsing Bernie.

[Lanius]

34. How or why does Bernie attract these types of voters?

[showblue22]

36. Stoking anger is a strategy.

A horrible strategy.

[Clash City Rocker]

38. Appealing to emotion rather than reason

People who are guided by their emotions tend to say and do horrible things.

[brer cat]

39. K&R

[rusty quoin]

47. Nah no. Maybe Liz will say something second. I'm okay with her saying nothing.

In fact, I thought she was the best candidate.here’s my reason.

The left hated Hillary. The right hated Bernie.

So she shared the middle, and I was wrong. So Biden wins. You guys win.