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Julian English

(434 posts)
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:40 PM Mar 2020

Irony Alert! CNN: Sanders says 'rampant' sexism in US is a hurdle for women running for president

The irony of this coming from BS is incredible. If Senator Warren saw this, she probable did a spit take. BS said "a woman can't win" not two months ago says there is "rampant sexism."

Here's a link to the story if you want to read this CNN puff piece for BS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Irony Alert! CNN: Sanders says 'rampant' sexism in US is a hurdle for women running for president (Original Post) Julian English Mar 2020 OP
Pandering to Warren supporters, it would seem. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #1
As a woman and a Warren supporter, sheshe2 Mar 2020 #15
He can pander BlueMTexpat Mar 2020 #33
Oh Yeah denem Mar 2020 #35
One word came to mind. Slimey. kcr Mar 2020 #2
he campaigns like there's No Internet. Cha Mar 2020 #3
Is you think Sanders is a sexist, ask AOC. n/t pampango Mar 2020 #4
Why not say, "Do you think Trump is sexist? Ask Sarah Huckabee Sander." n/t Julian English Mar 2020 #6
I don't see any similarity in the integrity of those two women. n/t pampango Mar 2020 #22
Those HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #7
100%!!! Julian English Mar 2020 #8
Women are smart enough to figure it out themselves thank you very much. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #34
All the hypocrisy blue-wave Mar 2020 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #9
I see no hypocrisy an no inconsistency soldierant Mar 2020 #10
I have to concur. maxsolomon Mar 2020 #11
Thank you. soldierant Mar 2020 #18
The hypocrisy & Inconsistency is clear and undeniable. Julian English Mar 2020 #19
Takes tone deaf to a whole new leve; relayerbob Mar 2020 #12
But if Biden said it that would be fine, right? Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #13
"Sanders has an excellent legislative record on women's rights" showblue22 Mar 2020 #16
Don't move the goal posts of the discussion Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #21
Your conflation is infer and imply isn't someone else moving goalposts... LanternWaste Mar 2020 #38
Bernie: Elizabeth, a woman cannot win the Presidency! Sloumeau Mar 2020 #14
Sanders was named an honorary woman by Gloria Steinem for his work on women's issues ProfessorPlum Mar 2020 #17
Which explains why Biden is crushing BS on number of votes from women. n/t Julian English Mar 2020 #20
it may be that women, like other humans, ProfessorPlum Mar 2020 #25
He told Elizabeth a woman couldn't win. He said Hillary was unqualified. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #36
I don't think these two things are inconsistent at all democrattotheend Mar 2020 #23
She won. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #37
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just stood up at a Bernie rally and spoke about the sexism Sunlei Mar 2020 #24
So.... what? NYMinute Mar 2020 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #26
Do you have any evidence of that? NYMinute Mar 2020 #30
No, that's not correct. George II Mar 2020 #31
I wanna know what brand of asbestos union suit he's wearing. n/t TygrBright Mar 2020 #27
More pandering at the last minute NYMinute Mar 2020 #28
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #32
 

TwilightZone

(25,468 posts)
1. Pandering to Warren supporters, it would seem.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:42 PM
Mar 2020

He's been trying pretty hard to woo them this week.

Seems a little transparent.

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sheshe2

(83,748 posts)
15. As a woman and a Warren supporter,
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

I guess I should be flattered. Not. I chose Biden.

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BlueMTexpat

(15,368 posts)
33. He can pander
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:06 AM
Mar 2020

all he wants.

But what happened has happened and yes, it is irony indeed.

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denem

(11,045 posts)
35. Oh Yeah
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:39 AM
Mar 2020

choking on a ham sandwich

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kcr

(15,315 posts)
2. One word came to mind. Slimey.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:43 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,180 posts)
3. he campaigns like there's No Internet.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:44 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pampango

(24,692 posts)
4. Is you think Sanders is a sexist, ask AOC. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Mar 2020
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Julian English

(434 posts)
6. Why not say, "Do you think Trump is sexist? Ask Sarah Huckabee Sander." n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:47 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. I don't see any similarity in the integrity of those two women. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:47 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
7. Those
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:48 PM
Mar 2020

Who saw him mansplain to EW after one of the debates saw it for themselves.

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Julian English

(434 posts)
8. 100%!!!
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:49 PM
Mar 2020

Especially as Senator Warren is clearly both smarter and more competent than BS has ever been.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
34. Women are smart enough to figure it out themselves thank you very much.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:32 AM
Mar 2020

Why would I need to ask AOC anything?

What a ridiculous suggestion.

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blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
5. All the hypocrisy
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020

coming from the Sanders camp appears to be desperation. I think they know the writing is on the wall. The primaries of the next two weeks will be telling.

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Response to Julian English (Original post)

 

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
10. I see no hypocrisy an no inconsistency
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:53 PM
Mar 2020

Pinting out that sexism exists is NOT the same thing as being sexist. We have this figured out about racism, and rightly call out Republicans who try to make us appear racists for pointing out racism. But let a progrogressive acknowledge that sexism exists and is hurting out candidates, boy howdt, that person's a sexist for sure!

Can we please STOP doing this?

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maxsolomon

(33,323 posts)
11. I have to concur.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

the original BS "a woman can't win" statement is being taken out of context.

and as of right now (and the next 4-8 years), it can't be disproved.

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Julian English

(434 posts)
19. The hypocrisy & Inconsistency is clear and undeniable.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

Really, the hypocrisy and inconsistency of BS here is amazingly clear. Really, imagine if any other campaign said that a woman couldn't win the presidency.

You might as well say it's OK for other campaigns to attack BS by saying, "America's not ready for a Jewish president," and claim it's not anti-Semitism.

BS has tolerated the BS Bros incredibly sexist attacks on Senator Warren and the other female candidates. The failure of BS to make a meaningful effort to stop this hate speech speaks worlds of who BS really is.

The BS campaign hiring the sexist Philip Agnew speaks worlds about who BS really is.

No true progressive would tolerate this sort of hate speech or a person like Philip Agnew to be associated with their campaign.

No one other candidate in the Democratic Primary has these problems. Only BS does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
12. Takes tone deaf to a whole new leve;
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:03 PM
Mar 2020
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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
13. But if Biden said it that would be fine, right?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:04 PM
Mar 2020

You are correct that the nature of sexism is such that it can work against Warren or another woman candidate to say this, but Joe Biden can say it, right? No it would not be different. Sanders is correct about calling out rampant sexism and there is nothing hypocritical about him doing so.

Sanders has an excellent legislative record on women's rights over many decades and no one has ever said anything to the contrary. Does it occur to you that he may only saying the ugly truth, and he did not create that truth,an that he has supported many women candidates. But, oh yeah, there was that private conversation with Warren in which it is reported that he said a woman could not defeat Trump this fall. Well I've heard a lot of feminist women in recent weeks looking at what happened to our female candidates this time around acknowledging that a lot of voters were "afraid" to try something "new" with a woman running for president this time rather than playing it safe with another male. Yes that is deplorable state of affairs, but women make up the majority of Democratic voters and they did not stand with our women candidates in large numbers rather than support one of the men this cycle. Are you angry with them?

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showblue22

(1,026 posts)
16. "Sanders has an excellent legislative record on women's rights"
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

Can you show me any legislation Bernie has initiated that addresses specifically women? If If I'm not mistaken, there isn't any.

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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
21. Don't move the goal posts of the discussion
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:40 PM
Mar 2020

Your OP called it "ironic" that Sanders deplored sexism against female candidates which directly implies that he is OK with sexism against female candidates. It wasn't a discussion about legislative accomplishments, the subject concerned attitudes and opinions regarding sexism in politics and there is nothing ironic about what Sanders expressed in that statement.

I didn't post to this OP here because I wanted to debate the relative pros and cons of Sanders vs. Biden on women's issues, so I have no interest in researching what bills Bernie has or has not initiated. But it is a matter of simple public record that Sanders has always been graded with an "A" by women's advocacy organizations for his legislative scorecard on how he voted on major bills of importance to women specifically.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
38. Your conflation is infer and imply isn't someone else moving goalposts...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:39 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
14. Bernie: Elizabeth, a woman cannot win the Presidency!
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie: What's with all of the rampant sexism?

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ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
17. Sanders was named an honorary woman by Gloria Steinem for his work on women's issues
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:17 PM
Mar 2020

One of the few men so named. Steinem knows something about women's issues.

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Julian English

(434 posts)
20. Which explains why Biden is crushing BS on number of votes from women. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:31 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
25. it may be that women, like other humans,
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020

take into account more than 1 thing when deciding who to vote for. the point is that to imply Sanders isn't a champion of women and women's issues is a lie.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
36. He told Elizabeth a woman couldn't win. He said Hillary was unqualified.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:41 AM
Mar 2020

He talks like a right winger about identity politics.

He is no champion of women.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
23. I don't think these two things are inconsistent at all
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 07:43 PM
Mar 2020

If he didn't think a woman could win, it's because he saw how much sexism Hillary faced in 2016 and female candidates he's supported since then have faced. And unfortunately, he's not the only one who felt that sexism would prevent a woman from winning this year - IMO it's a big part of why Warren didn't do better. Too many people, including many women, were afraid of taking a chance on another woman after Hillary lost. Not saying it's right but it's reality.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
37. She won.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 08:42 AM
Mar 2020

The only thing that kept her from office was treason.

Nobody is afraid to vote for a woman except those afraid of women.

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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
24. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just stood up at a Bernie rally and spoke about the sexism
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 07:49 PM
Mar 2020

about an hour ago.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
30. Do you have any evidence of that?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 08:49 PM
Mar 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
31. No, that's not correct.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 08:58 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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TygrBright

(20,759 posts)
27. I wanna know what brand of asbestos union suit he's wearing. n/t
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 08:44 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
28. More pandering at the last minute
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 08:47 PM
Mar 2020

He is losing women voters by 15%

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