"Extraordinary sense of entitlement to women's service" behind pressure on Warren to back Sanders

[highplainsdem]

The words in quotes above are from a tweet by a feminist author commenting on the attacks on Warren by Sanders supporters who were upset with her for doing a skit on SNL even though -- gasp -- she hadn't endorsed Sanders.

I referred to the tweet in another thread about this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287646949#post18

because it echoed what I'd said in another reply there that I'd just posted, about my impression some Sanders supporters had just viewed Warren as Sanders' helpmate.

I got a number of replies to my link to the tweet, including one saying it should be an OP, which is why I'm posting this.

Here's the tweet, from author/professor Kate Manne:

Link to tweet

If I was a columnist, I would write a piece today about the extraordinary sense of entitlement to women's service that begrudges Hillary Clinton a walk in the woods on November 10 2016, or Elizabeth Warren a lighthearted skit on SNL in lieu of devoted instant kowtowing to Bernie.

As many DUers know, Warren not only came under fire from many Sanders supporters for appearing on SNL -- which supposedly somehow made Medicare For All. etc., much less likely because she wasn't endorsing Sanders immediately and out campaigning for him -- but AOC also came under fire for NOT criticizing Warren for this.

The criticism of those two women said a lot of things about the Sanders supporters going after them.

None of them good.

Fortunately not all Sanders supporters are like this, as I'd noted in my earlier reply in that thread about the view of Warren as just Sanders' helpmate.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287646949#post16

But, as with Sanders supporters causing trouble online in other ways, the ones showing the bad behavior tended to be most obvious.

And they needed to be called out, and the flaw in their reasoning exposed.

Kate Manne's tweet did so perfectly.

[hlthe2b]

1. It was obvious to me from the beginning that Warren could NOT endorse anyone...

until the nominee is decided or at least undeniably obvious. Biden would like her endorsement but doesn't need it as Sanders does. But, endorsing either one will only add to the attacks on her--especially from Sander's supporters.

[Lulu KC]

9. Exactly

Just play it cool. Have a good time. ACT NORMAL! (She seems to process things amazingly fast, btw.)

[Trueblue Texan]

35. I think you are correct about this....

I know she will support the nominee, no matter what, though.

[Cha]

2. KR! TY hpd

[Proud Liberal Dem]

3. No candidate is entitled to anybody's support/endorsement plain and simple

If Warren wants to endorse Sanders, it's fine. If she wants to endorse Biden, that's fine. If she doesn't want to endorse anybody, that's also fine.

[still_one]

4. +++

[geardaddy]

22. Exactly!

[bluedye33139]

5. On Twitter, the attacks were pretty uniform.

There was a lot how she couldn't even be bothered to do campaign events for the only human being in the history of our planet who has ever even thought anything positive while everybody else is problematic. All of the complaints kept discussing Sanders as if he were some kind of Messiah instead of a relatively meaningless independent from a tiny rural state who has not ever brought forward any change to make our country better.

As is obvious, I found myself alienated by the attacks on Warren not only because they were attacks on Warren but because they kept pushing that weird talking point, namely, that Sanders is the only human being in the history of the universe whoever had any positive thought.

It was a reminder that his followers see something in him that other people do not.

[onetexan]

6. Agree. My view is who the heck is Bernie Sanders to demand such loyalty from Elizabeth Warren?

I'm glad she's sitting it out and not endorsing either one. Joe certainly doesn't need it at this point. Sanders and his ilk think he's entitled because their agendas are more aligned, and that they can intimidate and pressure her into submission. The gall of these people.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. I was seeing some of it on Twitter this past weekend

I'll lead with the obligatory not all Sanders supporters and Twitter isn't representative of the population, etc. but some of the discourse from Sanders supporters about Warren (and Biden) is pretty disgusting.

[onetexan]

15. yes, the misogyny is truly disgusting, and that's coming from a man who in 30 years achieved

a fraction of what Warren has done in her much shorter stint in the Senate so far.

[highplainsdem]

7. "His followers see something in him that other people do not." That's an understatement.

[yardwork]

10. I've noticed the same thing.

I got an email about Bernie from an acquaintance. It was a bizarre "dear leader" characterization. I thought it was satire at first.

[groundloop]

32. I have to wonder if those are real Bernie supporters or some outside force trying to sow discord.

One thing we KNOW is that the Democratic party must stay united to defeat tRump in November. It's not hard to imagine a repub group or foreign entity starting this shit in an attempt to initiate pry apart the Democratic Party.

[lagomorph777]

11. Biden's camp seem to feel entitled to Warren's endorsement so they can pressure Sanders to get out.

[Frances]

13. Are you aware of Biden supporters pressuring

Warren to endorse Biden?
I am not

[lagomorph777]

14. I'm referring to the article in the original post.

[highplainsdem]

16. ????? What "article in the original post"? I referred to a tweet and two replies in another thread.

No articles were mentioned.

Nothing at all was mentioned that would in any way support your claim that "Biden's camp seem to feel entitled to Warren's endorsement so they can pressure Sanders to get out."

I haven't seen anyone, here or on Twitter, suggest in any way that if Warren were to endorse Biden, that would pressure Sanders to get out.

Nor have I seen anyone suggest, here or on Twitter, that Biden's camp feels entitled to her endorsement.

[lagomorph777]

20. Sorry - I'm not a Twit user; a Tweet is a "short article" in my head.

[highplainsdem]

23. Okay. Thanks for explaining. There was nothing in that feminist author's tweet, though,

about the Biden camp supposedly feeling entitled to Warren's endorsement, or that they'd use it to pressure Sanders to drop out.

In fact, it was clear she disapproved of any such pressure on Warren, though she referred to the Sanders camp because that's where the pressure has been coming from.

And again -- just from some of his supporters, not all.

But it was really stunning to see all the condemnation of her SNL appearance on Twitter. All the accusations of what she was supposedly denying to Americans in the future by appearing on the show rather than campaigning for Sanders. You'd've thought from some of the tweets that everything Sanders has been promising was dependent on Warren giving him her support during a crucial few days, and that she was betraying the entire progressive wing of the party by appearing on the show.

[lagomorph777]

26. It's unfortunate that it appears some Sanders supporters let their passion overtake them.

However, knowing that Putin has his minions messing with us, I am not confident that all "Sanders supporters" are who they appear to be. I think many of the more virulent ones are probably located in St. Petersburg.

[ehrnst]

18. Sanders' camp seemed to feel entitled to pressure Warren to quit much earlier and endorse Sanders.

[KSNY]

12. Warren's policy plans (similar to those of Sanders) speak for themselves

As far as I am concerned, Warren has more than earned some time to step back.
She doesn't have to endorse anyone.

[Farmer-Rick]

17. Yeah because Bernie uses telepathy to direct every move of his supporters.

Oh my a political candidate supporter acting inappropriately. Who would of thought it?

Yeah, I read your disclaimer at the bottom. But if you don't believe all Bernie supporters are inappropriate or secretly controlled through a psychic link. with Bernie then why did you post this?

Shall I post the insulting Nick names and rude comments from Biden supporters?

Yes, America has a serious misogynist problem. They are in every candidate's party. Just cause you found some in Bernie's party doesn't mean much.

[bsiebs]

19. "Bernie's party".. uhh. What party is that?

[TNNurse]

21. Well it is not the Democratic party.

It is not that I just resent his using the party to help himself, but that he has not shown that he supports other Democratic candidates.
I agree with some of his goals, but do not see plans. I find him publicly irritating and some of this followers are intolerable.

[highplainsdem]

25. Well, some of them do call themselves Berniecrats.

[SunSeeker]

34. Liberty Union Party (LUP)?

[LanternWaste]

24. Yup... means no more and no less than claiming irrational exuberance

"Just cause you found some in Bernie's party doesn't mean much."

Yup... means no more and no less than claiming irrational exuberance without any data at all to support it as such. I get the tacking towards holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to, but if we're going to do that, we should avoid being obvious in doing as such.

[TwilightZone]

29. When one of them is a senior advisor...

then it's a problem.

There's a little difference from some random yahoos on the internet and a candidate's senior advisor.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-phillip-agnew-michelle-obama-tweets-1491160

"Bernie's party"

It's becoming abundantly clear that it's not Bernie's party.

[TygrBright]

27. If reply #12 were typical of Bernie supporters here on DU...

...it would be easier for me to feel positive about his supporters and confident about how an elected President Sanders would perceive his base, his support, and his promises and obligations.

But some version of reply #17 seems all too prevalent in any thread referencing Sanders and I can't help but feel some concern that there's enough of that in his support base to have a negative influence on how President Sanders might feel supported, or respond to opposition, once in office.

observationally,
Bright

[subana]

28. so Warren can't have a TV appearance without endorsing him first?

did I read that right? If so, it's ridiculous! She shouldn't have to bow down to Bernie before she does anything!

I know Bernie has tried to distance himself from the behavior of the bros online with the excuse that he can't control everything. I think that's crap. Campaigns take their direction from the top of the campaign & if the leader doesn't try to control them, no one else will. Other campaigns don't have this problem, why is it only a problem for Bernie's followers?

[bucolic_frolic]

30. It's a generational divide

younger folks are more focused on themselves and have less experience measured in the number of years to judge political reality. That translates to inevitability and entitlement, which overshadows reasoning about politics in an impartial sense.

Older folks know anything can happen. How many times have their hopes been dashed? Younger people believe with optimism and hope.

"It ain't over til it's over."

"It ain't over til it is what I want it to be."

Two very different perspectives.

[pampango]

31. When candidates withdraw from a race there is usually 'pressure' ('expectations', 'hopes'?) that

they will endorse one candidate or another. Did anyone in Biden's camp 'pressure' ('encourage') Klobachar or Harris (or Buttigeg or O'Rourke for that matter) or for an endorsement or did no one communicate any thoughts to them in any way? Would a campaign not be remiss to NOT ask for an endorsement?

[SunSeeker]

33. It's an entitlement to women's unpaid labor. nt