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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:12 PM Mar 2020

Why is Warren delaying giving an endorsement? I think it's because...

Why is Warren delaying giving an endorsement? I think it's because maybe she wants to humiliate Bernie. Biden doesn't need her endorsement (although it would be nice to have) but Bernie does need her endorsement. Based on their political and policy viewpoints, it would seem "natural" for Warren to endorse Bernie, but there's a reason she hasn't. Why? Is she just going to let them stew over it and "suffer" and wonder? After everything that came before, is there a small part of her that's enjoying watching them "squirm" and grovel. Is she not at all shocked at the outright demands and sense of entitlement?

Well maybe I'm just projecting, but I'd certainly withhold the endorsement until the point that giving the endorsement to Biden would cause the most anguish to the Bernie Sanders campaign. (For the reason shown below.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Why is Warren delaying giving an endorsement? I think it's because... (Original Post) NurseJackie Mar 2020 OP
Her backers are split. She does not wish to push them either way MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #2
That, plus the outcome of the primary is now obvious. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #3
I think she should wait four weeks Rorey Mar 2020 #4
Why does she need to give an endorsement? There's nothing wrong with keeping her preference private. LonePirate Mar 2020 #5
Yep, he called her a liar on national tv, among other things. brush Mar 2020 #6
No, she's trying not to inject any more divisiveness into the race relayerbob Mar 2020 #7
Also, from what I can tell from her supporters that I know relayerbob Mar 2020 #8
There's no value in her endorsement either way... brooklynite Mar 2020 #9
I don't think that Warren wants to "humiliate" anyone. More_Cowbell Mar 2020 #10
Well said. SharonClark Mar 2020 #14
She has a plan for this IronLionZion Mar 2020 #11
You win! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #12
Another hypothesis is she expects Biden to win karynnj Mar 2020 #13
I do not think Warren has a lot of respect for Sanders and does not think he would be a good LizBeth Mar 2020 #15
He dodged dealing with her then, and basically blew her off. WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #17
If it were me, I'd wait until both candidates announced their VP choice More_Cowbell Mar 2020 #18
If she isn't the VP choice pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #19
She'll endorse Biden in June when it's over BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #20
Liz wants a shot in 4 years? If Biden wins Todd79 Mar 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #23
If he's in good shape why not? Todd79 Mar 2020 #24
No way. That's not Elizabeth Warren at all. I think... LAS14 Mar 2020 #22
 

MaryMagdaline

(6,853 posts)
1. Her backers are split. She does not wish to push them either way
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:14 PM
Mar 2020

It's a strange phenomenon, but some of her backers hate Bernie and some of her backers hate "the establishment." She does not want to offend either side.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to NurseJackie (Original post)

 

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
3. That, plus the outcome of the primary is now obvious.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:14 PM
Mar 2020

There's really no reason for her to endorse Sanders for a week, then switch her endorsement to Biden.

I think the interactions likely had something to do with the delay, but now, it's just logical to wait.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
4. I think she should wait four weeks
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:14 PM
Mar 2020

The approximate time that Sanders waited after Hillary clinched the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
5. Why does she need to give an endorsement? There's nothing wrong with keeping her preference private.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brush

(53,764 posts)
6. Yep, he called her a liar on national tv, among other things.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

And then there are those vile supporters of his.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
7. No, she's trying not to inject any more divisiveness into the race
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:23 PM
Mar 2020

Does she want to smash Bernie? My guess is, yes. Especially based on her body language and look in her eye when they asked her, in front of her house, who she would endorse. And yes, being blown off like that (in your video) was one of the most telling events of the entire campaign in my opinion. I am bewildered that any woman could see that and still support Sanders.

Her answer of, Let's think on that, and I'll say something when the timing is right, coupled with her statement that she will definitely have something to say about the sexist bullshit that's gone on, but later, tells me she's biting her tongue. She didn't get to be the best law professor at Harvard by saying or doing things without a lot of consideration and careful thought.

And she would still be my first choice, if that was an option

If I were to vote in a presidential
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relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
8. Also, from what I can tell from her supporters that I know
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020

Only about 10%, if that, are moving towards Sanders, the vast majority have moved to Biden. 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing (or even worse, complete subservience)

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
9. There's no value in her endorsement either way...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:28 PM
Mar 2020

It won't impact Biden's momentum, and it won't affect Sanders' decision to remain in the contest. Why bother?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
10. I don't think that Warren wants to "humiliate" anyone.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:28 PM
Mar 2020

I think she's just taking her time before she endorses one of two people who are both problematic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
14. Well said.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:41 PM
Mar 2020

"Humiliate" is what the poster wants to do, not Warren.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
13. Another hypothesis is she expects Biden to win
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 02:35 PM
Mar 2020

In that case, an endorsement of Sanders would either draw things out when its better for Biden to be seen as the defacto nominee. That is not yet true, because 60 plus percent of the delegates will come from yet to be held contests. If things go as predicted, we will reach a point where Sanders can not mathematically get ahead of Biden.

The other thing is that I think Warren's anger when Bernie essentially called her a list on stage was real and very personal. I suspect Bernie did not consider that his statement that allowed no possibility for nuance or ambiguity was implicitly calling her a liar. That added to the unwarranted attacks by Sanders surrogates and supporters which he only weakly spoke against might mean that unlike Biden, whose character she praised, on a personal level she is not impressed by Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
15. I do not think Warren has a lot of respect for Sanders and does not think he would be a good
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:05 PM
Mar 2020

Presidential choice. Difference between integrity and not. Warren didn't endorse in 2016 though Sanders and supporters wanted it. Not going to do it now. She is all on board with Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
16. He dodged dealing with her then, and basically blew her off.
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:08 PM
Mar 2020

And he dodged again on Maddow the other night. Rachel had asked him something on the line of had he talked to Warren about her endorsement. He said it was a private conversation and he didn't want to go into it just then. Personally, I think she politely told him to to fuck himself. Calling her a liar was a big mistake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
18. If it were me, I'd wait until both candidates announced their VP choice
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020

That's likely to be an important position, especially for Sanders. Their choice might tip her one way or the other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
19. If she isn't the VP choice
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:43 PM
Mar 2020

why would she endorse one of them until they are officially the nominee?

She will likely run again in 4 years as a progressive candidate. Endorsing Biden over Sanders will hurt her with progressives. The only reason to do this is if Biden chooses her as HIS vice president.

Sanders and his people have not exactly been kind to Warren during the primary. No one would fault her for not endorsing him.

At this point, until there is a nominee, Warren is wise to stay neutral.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
20. She'll endorse Biden in June when it's over
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:55 PM
Mar 2020

And she’ll be a major asset to him in helping to avoid 2016-levels of destruction on the left. If she endorsed any earlier, it would be counterproductive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Todd79

(166 posts)
21. Liz wants a shot in 4 years? If Biden wins
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 03:59 PM
Mar 2020

What’s the point? There are no signs that Biden is only planning to serve one term. Even if he were to announce that he would not serve a second term, a VP Kamala Harris (the most popular pick it seems) would easily be the successor if the conditions improve under a Biden administration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Todd79

(166 posts)
24. If he's in good shape why not?
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 05:44 PM
Mar 2020

One of my grandfathers played golf almost every day until he was 95 years old and lived to be 101. My other grandfather went fishing every day on his own fishing boat until he was 93. He lived until he caught pneumonia at age 99.

It all depends on your genes. I would say that the Presidency ages you, but Biden has spent years in that high pressure environment and it hasn’t slowed him down physically (I don’t think it has mentally though obviously critics say otherwise).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
22. No way. That's not Elizabeth Warren at all. I think...
Mon Mar 9, 2020, 04:50 PM
Mar 2020

.... it's because she was the only unifier candidate. Maybe she doesn't want to throw out the idea of a 3rd path. I hope she doesn't, myself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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