Is there any normal thinking person out there

[boston bean]

who thinks Joe Biden must earn every fucking Bernie vote and if he doesn’t earn it to their satisfaction, then what?

In this environment all that should matter is kicking the Trumpass to the curb.

I am sorry. I literally cannot stand Sanders. He would never be able to earn my vote. But if he were the nominee, I would vote for him out of a concern for self preservation and love of country and democracy. Not based on some selfish equation where someone needs to cater to my political whims

[Thekaspervote]

1. Right there with ya!!

[Cha]

2. Yeah, 'cause we put our country and Planet above

our own selfishness.

Thank you!

[madaboutharry]

3. It really is very unpatriotic, imo.

Rather than coming together for the survival of democracy in America and for the well being of the American people, there are those who will stand on ceremony and behave like Prima Donnas demanding that they be pleased before bestowing their vote. It is just terrible behavior.

[LizBeth]

4. Sanders told us this morning with his incredible loss spoken from the people that our vote is wrong.

Stupid? Uninformed? Selfish? Greedy? One of those for sure. Sanders told me today, when we voted a no to him, that I was one of those things.

Biden on the other hand is assembling a team to address coronavirus. Thank you Biden. Tomorrow I go back to work surrounded by a full house for a concert, here in the NW. Tell me how selfish I am because I vote Biden.

[Thekaspervote]

8. Amazing isn't it!! It's like saying you're too stupid to know what's right or vote

Go pound salt bernie

[LizBeth]

20. Right.

[Grokenstein]

28. "How DARE you not vote for me!"

[LizBeth]

29. Exactly.

[HarlanPepper]

5. that's what im wondering

I keep hearing people say their concerns must be addressed. What does satisfaction in that department look like? I have no idea. One gets the sense there will be no pleasing them no matter what he says or does. They don't want him to be the nominee.

[treestar]

12. Yes, there is never a good assessment or statement or demand

that Biden do or say anything in particular, or that his supporters do or say anything in particular, and we well know that there is nothing that would work. Biden could say he now supports ending all student debt and allowing it to be discharged in bankruptcy without question. And they would still be saying too little, too late, etc. and saying he waffled. And they do not seem to understand that Congress would have to come along with it and that Biden's support regarding BK discharge was as a Senator representing a particular state, and that other Senators' states might have interests that make it hard for them to support it. They expect immediate caving and Senators having the "courage" to go against their constituents to do what is "right." And what is right is what they want, not what the Senator's state wants!

[zackymilly]

6. I agree. I am shaking my head at some of these posts so hard it's starting to hurt. n/t

[Squinch]

7. Funny how Kamala's and Amy's and Pete's and Mike's and Andrew's and Liz's followers

would never dream of demanding a prize for participation

[Thekaspervote]

9. This!!

[zackymilly]

15. Boom! n/t

[Codeine]

18. Kamala or Kwit!! Buttigieg or Bounce!

Warren or Wander!!

Okay. . . that last one needs work.

[Squinch]

19. LOL! But seriously. This would be absolutely a jaw dropper if any other candidate did it.

We'd think they had gone around the bend.

[treestar]

10. Yes, why don't they think of their own interests?

Why do any other candidate's supporters do this?

It adds to the idea they are cultish. Bernie is their focus, not who could really win and at least do some good. No compromise, talk about ideals. When you can see that being idealistic doesn't do you that well in the real world.

[Gore1FL]

16. In my experience every candidate has supporters like that in every nomination phase.

The way to bring them back into the fold doesn't include antagonizing them. There are a lot of sore winners on DU that are creating a huge divide by not recognizing that.

People are disappointed and upset. They need time. They need friendship. They need support. They need understanding.

They come to DU and get pummeled by "you and your candidate suck" threads. It isn't helping Biden. It isn't helping Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

56. That is crap. I have never seen any like Sander's supporters...none of the other candidates

supporters have done this sort of thing.

[Gore1FL]

57. So don't vote for Sanders in the General Election

In the mean time do you want them to vote for Biden? Then reach out and be civil and not condemning and judgmental.

The sore winners on this board are abundant.

[mcar]

11. Same old petty threat

"Be nice to us or we won't vote Democratic." No other candidates' supporters would ever say that. But Team Bernie got away with it in 2016 and is trying to again.

[Thekaspervote]

13. Here's a stark reminder of how sanders delegates behaved at the 16 NV convention

I think this should not be allowed again...ever!

We have a wonderful DU member that was an HRC delegate (I will not mention their DU username as it is up to that person to continue to speak about it our not) to the 16 convention and has spoken openly about the horrors of it

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[Gore1FL]

14. It is up to the nominee to unify the party.

Nothing new here.

[Codeine]

17. I think Sanders is an incompetent rageaholic

who feeds exclusively on resentment and spite, but if he were the nominee I wouldn’t demand he “earn my vote” or present me with a “message of hope” — I would crawl over broken glass to fucking vote for him because on his worst day he’s a million times better than Trump on his best day.

And fuck anyone who can’t manage the same for Biden.

[emmaverybo]

27. Bravo!

[unitedwethrive]

21. Every other Dem candidate did the math and realized they should get out

for the good of unity and the country. Clearly this is not a skillset or moral compass that everyone holds.

[Cozmo]

22. Damn Bernie Sanders

Never in my life did I think I could despise anyone as much as I despise trump, but now sanders has taken the prize. After the results of the latest primaries, I celebrated thinking that this egomaniac would step aside. But, oh no, this selfish jerk wants to punish us for his carefully drafted defeat in 2016. When he could have helped the Clinton campaign and helped our nation, he chose to act like an impudent child. I hold him responsible for helping to elect that horrible man now residing in the WH.

He has no business running for the office, he's motivated by greed and notoriety. If he cared for anyone other than himself, he would have disappeared a long time ago. Now, my fellow democrats, you have nothing to look forward to except for enhanced division of our party and the predictable failure of our country and our ideals.

I am so sorry to have shared my desperation with anyone. I am just so shocked that any human being (except for trump) would be so unfeeling and so cruel. His hateful actions will haunt us forever, damn him!

[Gothmog]

23. sanders staying in the race and losign by large margins may help Joe

sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/

Sanders’s remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. It’s not clear why the Biden camp should “give” Sanders anything.

Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....

Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left — hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.

Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sunday’s debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.

[Gothmog]

24. How do you demand concessions when you're getting the brake beat off of you?

Link to tweet

[Jamaal510]

25. There's a segment

of BS's fans who would never vote for any non-Bernie nominee, not even Warren. Those are dead-enders. The party's time and resources would be better spent shoring up key parts of the base, like Black voters and low-income voters.

[nolawarlock]

26. I think that Biden should welcome and encourage every vote ...

That being said, I do think he (and we!) should cut the losses of the Busters because most of those people not only weren't ever Democrats, they probably never will be. The majority of Bernie voters that will end up supporting Biden (and also supported Hillary) are those who are pragmatic like the rest of us—many of whom here have already lost one or two candidates before Biden became our choice. They care about children in cages and they care that the continued shift of the judicial branch will hurt many, many people.

The busters don't care about children in cages. I'm sorry to say it but they just don't. If they did, they'd realize just how dangerous Trump is in keeping those children there. Half of the Busters are one or two issue voters (M4A and socialism) and no other issue matters and if it does matter, it's only as a subset of socialism. For example, the belief that capitalism is the cause of racism, sexism, and homophobia, which isn't just patently false, it's ridiculously false. But, I think the other half of them are just looking for something to believe in and rally behind and I use the word rally intentionally here since they'll show up at a rally but they won't show up to vote. Those are the Bernie cultists. They're never going to support our nominee and I don't think that Biden should start going socialist-left if he wants to beat Trump. I think he has a far better chance off getting centrist Republicans and never-Trumpers than he'll ever have winning over the extreme left.

So yeah, go for Bernie's voters, but not the extremists. There's no point.

[aikoaiko]

30. No, not at all. But then don't whine and conplain

When a subset doesn’t vote for Biden like they didn’t for HRC in 2016.

I’m not directing that at you, BB, just putting it out there for the world.

[betsuni]

31. What was wrong with HRC?

She's liberal, progressive.

[aikoaiko]

35. She was good enough for me for the GE as a Bernie supportter

[showblue22]

32. Hillary made massive concessions

She had the most progressive platform in history. Perhaps that was the problem. There are some Sanders supporters, not the majority but some, that no matter what they won't vote for Biden but will demand concessions anyway. I think this time Biden should stay in the middle and seek out suburban moms and never Trumpers. We have to beat Trump and it looks like they are actively voting and in Biden's camp.

[aikoaiko]

36. I'm fine with Biden ignoring Bernie supporters.

Enough will vote for him as the anti-Trump solution.

[MrsCoffee]

33. Fucking right I will whine and complain. It's not rocket surgery.

It’s a fucking matter of Giving a shit about humanity and decency or NOT.

It’s about wanting kids out of cages or NOT.

It’s about wanting sane people fostering good will with the rest of the world or NOT.

Need I really go on?

Fuck those people who would say screw it, I’m voting for Trump if I don’t get my way. I can’t believe anyone like that would ever be on our side to begin with. So yeah, fuck them.

[aikoaiko]

34. Apparently it's not that simple for some folks.

But I'm sure the Biden campaign will figure out how to get all the votes.

[MrsCoffee]

37. He figured out how to get more votes than Bernie obviously.

You think Bernie can win by luring in Trumpers with free shit? That’s the definition of socialism to them.

Biden lures in everyone by being the only level headed candidate left on stage. His message of unity is a home run.

[aikoaiko]

38. Sure, just like we are stronger together.

[MrsCoffee]

39. Yes, that message brought in millions more votes than Sanders or Trump.

And it will bring in several million more in the current environment. Trump is no longer an unknown danger.

[Demsrule86]

43. Well that is Sanders supporters decision to make...do they want unity and to be a part of the

coalition or do they sit this one out...I weary of their demands and have no wish to kiss Sander's ring. He needs to go quietly. Sander has lost the primary.

[aikoaiko]

44. I agree that it is the Sanders supporters decision to make.

No one wants you or anyone else to kiss Bernie's ring.

If Bernie can't turn it around, I'm sure he'll endorse Joe and assist as asked.

[boston bean]

45. When after they boo Biden after the convention in hopes super delegates would give it to Bernie.

[aikoaiko]

46. Maybe. I expect some booing, but not for the reason you state.

Bernie endorsed HRC before the convention.

[HarlanPepper]

40. They're doing a pretty good job right now in fact

SCOREBOARD!

[Demsrule86]

55. Absolutely right ...MrsCoffee. Fuck them.

[phone]

[musicman65]

41. Truth be told

Joe really does not need them,however gravy on meat would taste good.
He can stand alone and take it all

[Demsrule86]

42. And had Sanders won...they would not have catered to us at all...we all know that.

[el_bryanto]

48. Who wouldn't have?

I mean Sanders would have been the candidate, he still would have to work within a Democratic party that is generally Centrist.

Bryant

[Demsrule86]

50. The Sanders campaign and supporters would have offered us nothing...and that would be fine with

me. I don't need concessions to vote for the Democratic nominee...and neither should Sanders or his supporters. He has lost and should bow out with grace and dignity and help us to defeat Trump. He can affect the change he wants in the Senate. He will never occupy the White House. But should Sanders continue to attack our nominee, Trump might occupy the White House for four more years.

[el_bryanto]

54. Well - with the coronavirus - i doubt he'll get the chance - Sanders doesn't really have

any further opportunities to push for a more leftist agenda.

And as I've said, I will vote for Biden if and when he receives the nomination.

Bryant

[el_bryanto]

47. Hmmmmm - define normal thinking person? nt

[loyalsister]

49. Sadly, the most ardent advocates of both remaing Dem candidates are certain that they know THE truth

Belief in belief doing it's usual damage. I have seen a lot of over-confidence and bullying coming from supporters of both candidates and it is discouraging.

[vlyons]

51. I'm with you

I don't like Sander's personality, but agree with some of his positions. He would be a millions times better than Donny Dimwit.

[emmaverybo]

52. No. If he endorses every Bernie position, he will lose.

[rampartc]

53. you may have answered your own question

in your 3rd paragraph.

my "political whims" are not based on a momentary cult of personality, but a 1/2 century of anti war, environmental, and consumer protection activism.

i may vote for biden, but there is nothing he can do to "earn" my vote, and win or lose i'll immediately begin looking for a 2024 challenger.