Biden-Sanders debate Official Thread- 4

[brooklynite]

Sanders: "I have my doubts" how Biden wins a General Election

[msongs]

1. says the guy who's had 4 yrs to figure out how to win yet is further behind this go round nt

[brooklynite]

2. Biden: They're not turning out for Sanders...

[DaDeacon]

3. BTW he is far behind Biden...

As Obama was behind Clinton in 2004 about this point in the race.

[relayerbob]

7. hehehehe

Yep

[TwilightZone]

23. The race was tied at this time in 2008.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

Obama and Clinton didn't run in 2004.

[relayerbob]

35. Exactly

[reACTIONary]

8. But Bernie...

... ain't Obama.

[padah513]

17. FTW!!!

[Thekaspervote]

9. Doesn't matter. There's no path for bernie. If so, please point it out

[DaDeacon]

12. really no path....

do we still have states yet to vote?

[Thekaspervote]

21. Like I said show us where he will not only win, but make up the 150+ delegates he's behind

[TwilightZone]

14. False. First, it was 2008. And by this time in 2008, the race was tied.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[Greywing]

16. BTW neither Obama or Clinton were running in 2004 ... John Kerry was the nominee n/t

[karynnj]

27. Obama was not even a US Senator yet in 2004 and the analogous point in 2008

Would have been the weekend after the first set of states after SuperTuesday. On SuperTuesday, Obama was slightly ahead. Then he, not HRC, won the next set if states. In retrospect, many HRC aides spoke of how after ST, they expected the primary to be effectively over. As a result, when Obama matched her on ST they were not as well prepared for the next states. Obama was, as his team's best case was to keep ST close and then surge afterward.

[Maru Kitteh]

52. LOL! You need to work on your history. Mmmkay?

[still_one]

4. I have my doubts how Sanders wins a General Election if he isn't the Democratic nominee

[Thekaspervote]

22. Ha!! Good one

[Happyhippychick]

5. "I've been campaigning for 6 straight years" is wondering if Biden can win?

[NanceGreggs]

6. I have my doubts ...

... about Bernie's grasp on reality.

[DaDeacon]

10. If Biden can't win the young.

I guess the gameplan will blame Sanders again.

[Julian English]

24. I guess if Sander can't win the primary

his gameplan is to help Putin and Trump again.

[mzmolly]

53. And blame "the establishment" and the DNC.

[Mars and Minerva]

55. It was actually nauseating watching Sanders and his followers desperately trying to ruin...

the convention in 2016. It was the first moment I began to suspect we might lose the White House.
What a shit show that was.

[padah513]

29. If the young can't see what's at stake

And won't vote because their preferred candidate didn't win then they're lost already.

[mcar]

30. If Sanders can't get the votes...

[Thekaspervote]

31. The youth vote ... 6% on ST, 7% on ST2. We all wish they would vote, been promised that

By bernie for at least 2 election cycles.

[relayerbob]

32. The young don't vote

And if Sanders supports the country and not himself, he'll do everything he can to help Biden win.

Tonight's debacle will backfire on Sanders, he's given up any hope of getting the White House, and of getting a Cabinet position to get any of his ideas enacted.

Warren put it best (paraphrased) - he's not gotten the things he supported passed, and never stopped anything he's opposed from happening. Leadership is not taking unpopular positions and yelling. It's fixing the problems, and that takes a team.

[DaDeacon]

36. under 40

[TwilightZone]

38. Biden is bringing out significantly more new voters than Sanders is.

The claim about Sanders bringing out new voters, especially young ones, is a myth. Wasn't true in 2016, isn't true in 2020.

They did show up in larger numbers in 2018, however, when he wasn't even running.

[Turin_C3PO]

40. Most young people

will vote Biden in the general. Their turnout will be low like always, but the ones who do vote aren’t voting for Trump.

[treestar]

43. If Sanders can't win the primary

they'll be blaming the DNC again.

The young didn't turn out well to vote for Bernie. Are we to believe Bernie could get them out to vote for Biden in the GE?

[JudyM]

11. Medicare for all payment

Link to tweet

?s=20

[DaDeacon]

13. ding ding ding

[LizBeth]

28. Easy peasy

[mcar]

33. Why doesn't Bernie say that?

[mzmolly]

51. Bernie needs to share this 'and' how he

will get it done.

[questionseverything]

58. check

[nolabear]

15. Bringing it home--Bernie spins Coronavirus to corporate elite.

[highplainsdem]

18. Oh, dear God. Sanders going back to the stump speech even in his closing statement.

[Hav]

19. BS' closing message to those being worried about the corona crisis:

Reverting back to his stump speech after one sentence.

Biden for the same question: Coming together, listening to the scientists, testing and saving lives, addressing economic consequences, learning and being prepared...

[BlueIdaho]

20. Bernie - given a chance to show empathy pivots back to his talking points.

The guy is a broken record.

[vercetti2021]

25. I'm done with the stump speech bull

Enough Broken Bern

[Mr. Sparkle]

26. 2 Hours is a bit long for these debates.

[TwilightZone]

34. Well, this is probably the last one.

So there is that.

[brooklynite]

37. Joe Biden brings it back to the point: "The single most important thing we can do is...

...get rid of Donald Trump".

[jimlup]

39. Well can you blame him?

Or have you forgotten 2016?

I fucking hope he wins. I know he will be the nominee so hate me. I'm still a Sanders supporter because I believe in what he is calling for.

Hate me at your peril. Time to come together or have you forgotten?

[TwilightZone]

41. The rest of us have already come together.

Cory Booker, Michael Bloomberg, Amy Klobuchar, Pete Buttigieg, Beto O’Rourke, John Delaney, Deval Patrick, Tim Ryan and Kamala Harris, all supporting Biden, along with 37 of the 38 members of the Congressional Black Caucus who have endorsed one of the two remaining. The voters are also overwhelmingly choosing Biden.

"Hate me at your peril."

Do you really think threats are going to accomplish anything? Word of advice: they make your assertions look a little ridiculous.

[violasays]

42. Also Booker

[TwilightZone]

48. I could have sworn I included Booker. Thank you.

Sorry about that. He now gets top billing.

[LizBeth]

47. Yes all of us, (Harris then Warren) have done just that.

[jimlup]

49. Well I'm already ready to vote for the nomine

assuming it is Biden.

Are you now going to say Medicare for all is wrong? Put it on the record please. Own up to what you have become.

[Hav]

54. Jeeze, do you not realize how it makes you look

when you talk like this? First that emotional rambling and now "Own up to what you have become."
Seriously, if we want to achieve advancements in a society, we all need to agree on a common goal and how to implement it. It isn't just one side having the monopoly on the correct policies with no room for any deviation.

[TwilightZone]

56. " Own up to what you have become."

lol, you should really take a break and take a few deep breaths. For one, I have no idea what you think your question has to do with, well, anything. Second, just because I don't support Sanders doesn't mean I think Medicare for All is wrong.

Ever heard of Elizabeth Warren? John Conyers?

Conyers introduced a Medicare For All bill 14 years before Sanders did and every year in between. What took Bernie so long? When he did finally introduce a bill, it was a parallel bill to that of Conyers.

Warren, of course, supports M4A as well, and I think she was a better candidate than Sanders in every possible way.

[reACTIONary]

44. Calm down, nobody..

...hates you.

[Blue_true]

46. Wow, that is rather dramatic.

Everyone need to calm down over the next few weeks. Fortunately April should allow for that since it is thin on primaries. Then hopefully we can have a calm, family conversation.

[NCProgressive]

50. ...

[brooklynite]

61. No need to hate you...we can just ignore you and move ahead.

Biden doesn't need Sanders' non-existent youth vote.

[philly_bob]

45. I thought they were both pretty sharp tonight. /nt

[Hoyt]

57. Sanders didn't help himself tonight. Diehards will stick around in denial.

Hopefully, they’ll vote Blue, even if only to block another term for trump, which will set Sanders’ progress back multiple decades.

[questionseverything]

59. i thought they both did great!

happy to support either

good policies discussions to be had

biden is ahead and didn't do anything wrong...win there

main thing is trump out

[Hoyt]

60. I agree with that.