Biden Strategists Shooting Themselves in Foot

[Don1]

It might be true that Bernie should concede, but lets put that aside. There are valid arguments and invalid arguments. The worst, most invalid arguments for Bernie conceding will come back to haunt Biden strategists later.

For example, the idea that continuing the primary is bad because of COVID19. Or Bernie is like the coronavirus. Republican media will later use the same argument against Biden in November. Yes, November. Biden strategists will look like hypocrites to Independents.

Instead of making bad arguments that are going to push away progressives now and independents later, Biden strategists should be working on increasing access to absentee voting, mail-ins...improving infrastructure.

We need to move toward unity while retaining democracy.

Go Team!

[Demsrule86]

1. No, this primary is over. We can work on better stuff next time...

We may end up voting by mail...in the general who knows?

[True Blue American]

31. I am voting by mail.

Called for mine and will make sure I have one before November.

Biden is not shooting himself in the foot. Not once has he insisted Sanders quit.

He did make an appeal to join together. The rest of the Democratic Party already has. All his rivals have backed him except one. Get united to beat that incompetent thug in the WhiteHouse!

[Demsrule86]

49. Have you been on social media...there will be no uniting with some of these folks...and the primary

must end. Sander didn't do what he could in 16 in the General...I don't see any difference this year yet...and if Sanders doesn't quit then what...there needs to be consequence for Sanders...committee, money ....maybe a primary in Vermont...a real one

[True Blue American]

57. No, I avoid

That. I try to get news from reputable sources. Sorry, but I dislike both Twitter and Facebook. Think both should be taken down for the harm they do.

I post here because there are often really good posts among the others with no right wing lies.

[still_one]

2. Excuse me, just who are these so-called Biden strategists you are referring to?

[msongs]

3. yes let's find out which "biden strategists" are doing such things nt

[TwilightZone]

4. None of his staff has made any of the assertions you're alleging.

Making up assertions out of thin air isn't a compelling argument.

[True Blue American]

32. I think

They call that gas lighting with untruths.

[msongs]

5. btw the entire democrats' delegation in congress is promoting improving voting by...

increasing access to absentee voting, mail ins etc etc etc as are democratic party operatives in all the states

[Midnight Writer]

77. Sounds like something the Democratic "Establishment" would do.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. You win "post of the day"... unfortunately, you will be ignored, or worse yet, bashed for it!!

Bernie/Elizabeth 2020!!
They're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[TwilightZone]

12. More like "made up assertions" of the day.

None of what the poster is asserting is coming from the Biden campaign.

[NurseJackie]

26. Nobody is bashing the OP.

Joe/Kamala or Biden/Harris 2020!!
Jump on the Biden Bandwagon & abandon the revolution!!

[NCProgressive]

51. IKR?

Some people see things ...



Either way, they are stronger together and can't be bought!!
Jump on the Biden bandwagon and abandon the revolution!!

[onetexan]

30. exactly, this poster is spewing a buncha crock. Bernie camp trying to save face.

[sop]

42. A friend who strongly supports Sanders is having a hard time accepting recent primary results.

All along he'd been portraying Bernie as the victim of nefarious unseen forces, somehow conspiring to sabotage Sanders' rightful ascension to the presidency. Now, after Bernie's revolution has been rejected by rank and file Democrats, his complaint seems to be Sanders isn't being accorded the respect he's due. Apparently, Biden's conciliatory remarks in victory have not been enough; nothing short of Joe stepping aside and conceding the nomination to Bernie will do.

[onetexan]

43. Petulant behavior, and it all stems from Bernie himself, cascading down to his rabid followers.

[NCProgressive]

53. It is the sense of entitlement that has been cultivated over 4 years

by the likes of Sirota, Turner, The Young Jerks, Susan Sarandon et al.

They feel that Bernie is entitled to the nomination.

So, Bernie never loses an election - he always gets screwed.

[Atticus]

40. ---sigh----Please either list the "Biden strategists" who said this crap or delete your

ridiculous post. We'll wait-------------

[Hav]

44. Seriously, forget about the revolution

and join reality. You are always here to amplify something that is either obviously wrong or just made up.

[Demsrule86]

50. The important thing is to get Trump out...Sanders will not be the nominee under any circumstances.

It is unbelievable to me that you are not concerned with the General at this point...

[MineralMan]

62. The post is not being ignored. Instead,

people are asking for more information, like which Biden strategists are doing those things? Do you know the answers?

[not_the_one]

7. Unity is the goal.

The comparison of Sanders stopping his campaign because the numbers clearly show that at this point, HE CAN'T WIN, to stopping the general election in November, is ludicrous. COVID-19 is not an issue in the primary. Sanders can't win.

To argue that we can't have an election in November BECAUSE of COVID-19 is nothing but pretzel logic to try to delay the turd's inevitable defeat.

I'll make my own homemade hazmat suit if necessary, but I WILL show up to vote.

Face mask
Plastic gloves
Clorox wipes
Hand sanitizer

I will NOT be all touchy feeley with anyone while waiting to vote, while in the voting booth, or on the way back to the car. Even if they are a goddamn hunk.

That should do it.

We CAN NOT allow them to use bogus logic to stop the removal of the turd from the people's toilet bowl.

We FLUSH, and we FLUSH WITH GUSTO, come November 3, 2020!!!

[Cha]

8. That's your opinion.. maybe BS is "shooting himself in the foot"..

He has NO path to the nomination.

Did BS mean this or Not?

Donald Trump must be defeated,” Bernie Sanders insists, “and I will do everything in my power to make that happen.”

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1287673175

Link to tweet

And just who are these strategists you've alleged are "shooting themselves in the foot"? Hmmm

[TwistedTinkerbelle]

9. Nah...no way.

Biden and his staff know there's a helluva lot of down ticket races that have to be voted on during this primary season. I'm more inclined to agree with the folks who think Biden and his people will be advocating and fighting for more mail in ballot options so everyone gets to have their chance to vote.

[The Magistrate]

10. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir

What would you consider a good argument for Sanders conceding?

[LizBeth]

11. Sanders has lost and any Democrat with integrity would step out and support Biden 100%.

Some examples of Dems with integrity. Harris, Beto, Buttigieg, Bloomberger, Klobuchar and others.

[Cha]

13. Booom

[sheshe2]

17. Democrats with integrity.

Baaaazinga!

[True Blue American]

34. 100%!

[tirebiter]

14. Hyperbole is what it is

[LiberalFighter]

15. And this is based on what?

[Sloumeau]

18. If you are going to make claims about what Biden strategists are doing...

give us some evidence, or it didn't happen.

[relayerbob]

19. Continuing the primary is bad because it is resulting in posts like this

It makes no sense, has no data supporting it, and is divisive as it gets.

[Cha]

20. Snap.

[Demsrule86]

28. Such a bitter, divisive posts...which discourages people voting for the nominee...

truly awful.

[Codeine]

47. A Biden administration will bring paragraph breaks, however.

A new era of readability will sweep your posts!

[NCProgressive]

56. It was obviously copy/pasted from some pro-Bernie rag

html to text eliminated all formatting

[Jedi Guy]

59. LOL, glad it wasn't just me having that thought. N/T

[Cornus]

58. You nailed it!

But it will likely fall on deaf ears here...or else elicit negative reactions.

[LanternWaste]

65. You guys play the 'oppressed and martyred' card so well, so often, and so shamelessly.

[moniss]

68. Thanks although

I could and do find fault with all of the folks we put up this time. One Dem will win with enough support to get around the suppression and I will support whoever it is as I stated. You are right about it eliciting negative responses and honestly it gets so bad that I don't even want to visit DU or Kos for example. A problem I didn't bother with, because as you said it would either be to deaf ears or be hammered, is the fact that the Democratic Party continually makes this plea to young people under 30 to "be involved and tell us what you want". Then when they do say "we want these kinds of things" the party and the old guard turn around and say "forget it but thanks for participating". Then we have to struggle to try to re-energize as many as we can to vote for what they had no enthusiasm for by reminding them how awful the alternatives are. I lived through it in the '60's with Vietnam, the draft etc. So many people forget or never really knew that the Democratic Party was not some bastion of assistance for people trying to end the draft or stop the war. A few to be sure were helpful but we had to fight both the GOP and the Democratic Party. That's the truth of things. Now having said all of this I have to say that I always have voted for Democrats. But I am realistic about how little or how much will actually change.

[awesomerwb1]

64. Nice copy and paste job.

Faceb***? 4chan?

If you can't see why Joe Biden would be millions of miles better than trump in every single way, I don't think anyone can convince you to vote Blue.

Bernie promises the moon, but there's very little he can do via executive order. Did you really think he single-handedly could enact all these laws? There is a legislative process for everything. You need to find the votes and gulp, compromise sometimes to get the necessary votes.

Biden is the best, ONLY option for the change you are looking. May not be fast enough for you because you have been conditioned by Bernie for years that he can make all thse amazing (impossible?) changes by himself.

That was a lie. There is a process to pass laws and Bernie has not even shown he can get stuff passed. Look at his record.

[dansolo]

23. The strategy is to allow Biden to focus on the general election

It doesn't have to do with anything that you are claiming. Your concern is noted.

[ucrdem]

24. Sanders' refusal to suspend is a crisis unto itself.

And not an unimportant one. He's like the guy who refuses to return the 2-hour reserve article everybody needs to get ready for the final, back in the days before digital reserves.

#returnthearticlenow

[Demsrule86]

25. Putting it out there, there is no valid reason for Sanders to remain in the primary.

It is true Sanders should resign yesterday...and not putting it aside. And one of the reason he needs to resign is to get the general going now and that will make it harder to cancel the General than if it runs right up to it...and I would say that Sanders supporters online are 'shooting' the country but not in the foot...a more serious wound I think...let's hope it is not a mortal wound for our Republic.

[delisen]

83. What happened to 1990 and not claiming a win with a plurality?

[still_one]

29. The OP has disappeared from the thread they started. I asked who are these so-called "Biden

Strategists", and not only have failed to get a response, but have observed the OP has seemed to disappear from a thread they started

Because of this it seems to me divisionary and flamebait

[True Blue American]

35. It is!

[Hav]

45. I really think the OP meant that the posters of this forum

are the Biden strategists he's talking about.

That said, meeting at 10. We need to find better arguments to push BS out. Hail the establishment.

[still_one]

52. Posters on a Democratic forum are not Biden strategists, they just express their personal opinion

[rzemanfl]

82. Look at profile, I think you will see.

[OnDoutside]

33. Hi Briahna !

[still_one]

37. +++

[W_HAMILTON]

36. It has nothing to do with the coronavirus.

Sanders, yet again, has found himself in a position in the Democratic Primary where he has absolutely no path to winning the nomination, therefore, he should drop out. Staying in the race only hurts Democrats, the Democratic Party, and our chances in November. He is doing the same divisive shit again this primary that cost us the presidency in 2016.

[Aquaria]

38. You have got to be kidding.

First of all, EVIDENCE for any of these claims you're making. And from CREDIBLE sources that pass muster with people who aren't morons, lunatics, or both.

Second:

Contrary to your fevered delusions, Biden and his staff have ZERO input or control over the primary process. The DNC has ZERO input or control over the primary process.

Each state has its own laws and rules in place for what to do with that process, and they don't answer to candidates or political parties about it. They answer to those laws and the residents of their state. NOTHING AND NO ONE ELSE!

Furthermore, you cannot be so appallingly ignorant that you don't realize that there is more going on than the fricking Presidential primaries. States that haven't voted yet also have primaries for federal legislators (Congress reps and in some cases Senators), state legislators, and other statewide races, and numerous other down ticket races at the county or municipal level that need to be sorted out. Those races are important too--far more important than a sore loser grumpy old fool like BS. Are you trying to deny them their voice and their right to decide those things for themselves? To what end would YOU do that with these baseless assertions you're making?

For pity's sake, stop making everything about BS, and stop making up total bullshit on behalf of his losing campaign, rather than facing the reality of how he's never going to be the candidate, that it's those VOTERS whom BS and his supporters disdain who have said that they're just not into him, and how that will not change, no matter how many straws you grasp in desperation to make the impossible happen.

Each state will decide for themselves how they must deal with trying to give residents their Constitutional right to have a voice in the political process versus protecting them during an epidemic. These are tough decisions--wrenching decisions, even, for people who love their country and hold sacred the right to vote--and you are not helping when you pollute the process with ridiculous conspiracy theories to prop up a failed candidate and his failed campaign.

Back off and let the states sort these things out as best they can, given the circumstances they're dealing with.

[Indykatie]

39. People who Accuse Biden's Camp of Bad Faith With Bernie Are Stretching the Truth At Best

No one officially associated with Biden's campaign has called for Bernie to drop out. Many of his supporters like me have but we're hardly part of the Biden campaign. I'm sick of the Media including Liberal friendly MSNBC positing this BS take about Bernie. I'm also sick of the Media accusing Dems of not being sufficiently praiseful or thankful to Bernie for all his work even as he and his campaign continue to attack the Dem party and the "establishment". If Hillary or Biden had made a case that they were going to win because they could excite young people to come out in droves the Media would be all over their failure as they should be. Yet they allow Bernie to basically go silent on this failures and his future plans about staying or leaving the race.

[LanternWaste]

41. Sorry, pal. The angle you're sellin' ain't working this cycle.

Tell you friends this particular train ain't going nowhere and to come up with a newer track to peddle down.

This is so season one.

[mcar]

46. Link to where Biden "strategists" are saying any of this?

[Codeine]

48. An example of these "strategists" would be helpful.

Also at “Undecided”!

[PubliusEnigma]

54. Bernie supporters need to accept reality. Quit pretending like it doesn't matter.

Or that Bernie staying in the race is based upon any real principle.

At this point, it is pure selfishness.

[MineralMan]

55. Which Strategists are doing that? Name them, please...

[rzemanfl]

60. Got. To. Wash. Socks. Today.

The foot thing reminded me.

[LuvLoogie]

79. Missing pairs and all...

Amateur trolls gotta troll...

[rzemanfl]

81. I would love to be somewhere on a boat pulling a lure through the water.

Instead I am socially isolating.

[Happy Hoosier]

61. apples and oranges....

The GE happens on one day.

But the primary has been going on a while. And since SC, it's been the Joe Biden show. The simple, mathematical fact is that a Bernie victory would now require an incredibly unlikely series of events.

These events are NOT comparable.

One is all the marbles.

The other wastes resources and risks lives to absolutely no purpose. Bernie's last hope was that Biden would collapse in the AZ debate. It didn't happen. It's over.

[Bluethroughu]

63. Thank you

I was a supporter of Senator Sanders for President, until Joe told the gun nut off to his face.

Then I thought, Bernie and Warren are most effective in the Senate for policy change.

I hope Kamila get AG, she kicks butt.

Klobachar for VP. I loved her in the Supreme court hearings.

There is a place for all these awesome people. Let's build this country up, not bring eachother down.

[Scurrilous]

67. Nope. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

69. Why is "continuing the primary is bad because of COVID19" a "worst, most invalid argument"?

It's quite a reasonable argument. There is a public health emergency worse than anything in a century. Primaries involve many people mingling and touching the same objects. If the outcome looks certain anyway (current odds: Biden 1/12, Hillary Clinton 25/1, Michelle Obama 68/1, Sanders 87/1), then keeping a dangerous process going is not worth it.

They cannot use that argument about November (current odds: Biden 23/20, Trump 21/20), which is universally acknowledged to be a tight race.

All odds at Betfair from https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics

[Don1]

71. You are not the only one making this argument.

Biden supporters in this forum such as yourself and others, on Twitter, as well as Biden surrogates and strategists are trying to say the same thing as you.

In the same way that there is political spin right now that Bernie is "forcing" people to go to primaries, it's going to be the same thing later with Biden vs Trump. Like this: "Reporters asked Biden if he'd be in favor of postponing the election until after the coronavirus outbreak is done and Biden said he wants to force people to the polls. This is especially bad for older people who blah blah blah..."

You are shooting yourself in the foot.

[muriel_volestrangler]

72. I am not a Biden supporter.

You are using a strawman argument (yes, something that really is an "invalid" argument): you have invented a make-believe person who says something stupid ("Biden said he wants to force people to the polls. This is especially bad for older people who blah blah blah...&quot , and then you pretend that you being able to imagine a stupid Republican is the equivalent of a telling argument in the hands of the Republicans.

I notice you are completely ignoring the reality that the general election is genuinely undecided, while the primary is acknowledged by all to be effectively over. Ignoring reality, and saying "nothing must ever be done that a stupid person could make a stupid, unconvincing, useless argument about" is no way to discuss, or organise, anything.

[Don1]

73. that is not what i wrote though.

[muriel_volestrangler]

74. I don't think you have made a single decent argument in this thread

and I don't think you realise it, or what you wrote. It's a waste of space.

[The Magistrate]

75. Cold But Fair, Sir

Nicely done.

[SiliconValley_Dem]

70. I like and applaud their strategy. Moving on from Bernie show

[LakeArenal]

76. It is so weird that the losing side says:

Be nice to us or else.

I always thought to the victor goes the winning.

Bernie Sanders has lost the vote.
Majority wins. If we need to beg people who spent a lot of energy smearing their fellow candidates instead of trump, then it’s unlikely they are going to vote how we hope.

[stonecutter357]

78. BS has lost time to move on !

[tritsofme]

80. Sanders lost, move on. This is just silly.

[NBachers]

84. What maks you think they're not "working on increasing access to absentee voting, mail-ins...

improving infrastructure?"

[Iggo]

85. Did you get the number of that truck the hit you and ran, Iggo?

I didn't even see it, sir. But it smelled like...feet.

[Gothmog]

86. sanders should oncedde because he ran a bad campaign

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