What's up with those tax returns?

[Empowerer]

And why, at this stage of the game, do you "still have to do a few little things to check 'em out"?

Link to tweet

[Cha]

2. Yeah, BS says this was "taken out of context", too..

when clearly it was Not.

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

3. It would be so simple for him to end the speculation, and the questions.

Just release them.

Being defensive certainly doesn't put a stop to journalists asking the question.

He can definitely afford an accountant, so two years would have been more enough time to have this done, especially if he anticipated another run for POTUS in 2020.

[mikeysnot]

27. Why wasn't the "press and media" this diligent

on trumps taxes? Like now? He is running also for president if he does not get sent to jail first.

Oh wait I know why, they want to derail his possibilities of winning the nom....

[WeekiWater]

34. They are

Just keep scrolling, and scrolling, and scrolling

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+tax+returns&rlz=1C1EODB_enUS545US545&oq=trump+tax+returns&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4263j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Trumps concealed taxes have gotten far more scrutiny than Sanders. That includes in 2016. Time for Sanders to step to the plate.

[mikeysnot]

37. Yeah I did

Not ALL of these are critical of him in fact the top post...

Read the first one in your link for CNN, not really scathing is it?

Some context here: Trump is the only modern president -- since Richard Nixon -- to not release any of his income tax returns. He was also the first major party presidential nominee since Watergate not to do so. The excuses he has provided for his lack of transparency have varied -- from claiming he is under an ongoing audit to insisting that tax returns reveal little about a person's finances. (Tax returns provide the fullest picture of someone's financial well being -- or lack thereof. And simply being under audit does not preclude an individual from releasing returns.)

List some truth and facts and then site more facts....

This is a fight that has been simmering, slowly, since the day Democrats took over the House majority last November. Under a little-known law passed in the 1920s, the chairman of the House Ways and Ways Means Committee can request any individual's tax return and the law says the secretary of the Treasury "shall" turn it over.

and later on it ends with this....

Trump -- and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin -- have made clear they have zero plans to hand over the President's return to Ways and Means Committee Chairman Rep. Richard Neal, D- Massachusetts. Republicans in Congress have made clear they will fight the attempt by Democrats to get Trump's tax returns -- insisting that the effort is entirely political and amounts to an invasion of privacy.

No mention of him "hiding" something, etc and let "unamed republicans" get the last word in....

No mention that the party of the Clinton impeachment who demanded and received Hillary's tax return from her time at the Rose Law office into the investigation into a real estate venture that they lost 30-70k dollars...

Don't assume just because "Tax returns" and "Trump" show up in a jsearch engine... that the coverage is critical...

And I bet the recent spike has been attributed to the recent change of the House leadership.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/05/politics/trump-tax-return-house-investigation/index.html

[WeekiWater]

41. Solid findings out of 80 million results.

That's funny.

It clearly disputes your faulty claim.

[ehrnst]

44. .....

I know.

[mikeysnot]

73. No it doesn't

Like I stated before, just because it has Tax returns and trmp are mentioned in a article doesn't mean it was framed as a negative...

Unless you want to go through all 80 million and take oput exerpts from them to prove me wrong, but the first two articles just mention it, but not as a negative...

[ehrnst]

89. Yes it does.

Moving the goalposts doesn't change that...

[mikeysnot]

117. then why did you move the goal posts?

[ehrnst]

137. I didn't. You did.

[mikeysnot]

144. here ya go!

[ehrnst]

151. Whatevs.

I guess I should be grateful you didn't just reply a link (again) to that previous post that for some reason, you seem very reluctant to type again....

Can't imagine why.

[mikeysnot]

182. because that link proved my point,

thanks for letting me know where you stand.

[ehrnst]

188. If you say so, I guess that means you answered it, when you didn't.

A graphic of straws.

Is that a riddle?

[mikeysnot]

267. It makes sense

right? Or no?

[ehrnst]

43. Here's a google search from 6/1/16-1/1/18

I hope this clarifies things, as it leaves out the "recent spike" you mention:

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+tax+returns&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS821US821&biw=1152&bih=606&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F1%2F2016%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2018&tbm=

So yes, Trump's taxes have been in the news far, far more than Sanders' especially after Hillary became the nominee.

Trump's taxes were far more relevant to the election at that point than Senator Sanders.

[mikeysnot]

72. When you are trying to force a point it is best to make an actual comparison.

Here is the same time frame for Sanders ta returns

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS821US821&biw=1600&bih=789&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F1%2F2016%2Ccd_max%3A1%2F1%2F2018&ei=DCKBXO3oKKLljwTN1ZugCw&q=sanders+tax+returns&oq=sanders+tax+returns&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i7i30.14576.16164..17423...0.0..0.112.660.4j3......0....1..gws-wiz.pLA9O8H2Aic


Look at tall those SERP's!!!

Nice try....

[ehrnst]

88. Not as many - and you did pull up one that indicates he promised before to release them

years ago. I don't think you intended to discredit your other claim with this list, but there it is.

See the links in your list #8 and #9 from the top.

Nice try.

[lapucelle]

211. Isn't that the short form "in full" as opposed to the full tax return?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/?utm_term=.5af29417065f

[ehrnst]

42. They were. And are. Trump was a nominee, and therefore got way more press on this.

Who is the "they" in:

Oh wait I know why, they want to derail his possibilities of winning the nom....

[mikeysnot]

77. They

the corporate media, the powers that be, millionaires, billionaires, the republican party, the third way dnc...

D candidates that don't want competition....

the list is pretty endless.

hope that cleared that up for you.

[ehrnst]

86. What is the "third way DNC?"

And what "D candidates who don't want the competition" are you referring to?

[billh58]

96. I believe that the

reference is to the "third way DLC..."

[ehrnst]

105. There is no DLC any more.

[billh58]

106. True, but they

were "third way" Democrats.

[ehrnst]

107. Still not relevant to my question. I wish Mikeysnot would answer for himself. (nt)

[billh58]

108. No need to get huffy

Bubba...

[ehrnst]

109. That's a bit over the top, don't you think?

The fish aren't biting.

[George II]

92. The "corporate media" isn't on this site, "the powers that be" aren't on this site....

....not many "millionaires" are on this site, I doubt any "billionaires" are on this site, nor is the "republican party" or "D candidates that don't want competition". I don't understand your reference to "third way dnc".

This is a discussion about a candidate's tax returns. Many everyday Democrats want to see them, and now in 2019 there are no valid excuses why he can't or won't release them along with every other candidate. But no other candidates have balked at releasing theirs.

[ehrnst]

45. So why do you think that Senator Sanders hasn't yet put a stop to the

questions about when he will release his taxes, by releasing them?

Again, that is the simplest way to address the issue, and stop the questions.

He knows, as someone who ran for POTUS before, when it was brought up as an issue, that there would be continue to be questions about them if he ran again and still hadn't released them.

This is not an "attack" on him by the press.

[mikeysnot]

50. read this pretty sad...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanellis/2016/04/19/bernie-sanders-tax-return-has-some-odd-deductions/#2d512f8170c6

Do not have time to get in nity gritty but....

[ehrnst]

53. I have no idea what this has to do with the OP.

Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:04 PM - Edit history (1)

The link is for the single year (2014) tax summary rather than a full return that he die release, not the tax RETURNS that were asked about starting in 2016.

[mikeysnot]

75. ????

wtf? umm tax returns? perhaps? maybe....

[ehrnst]

87. Um.... no one is asking about the one tax summary he has released

because he released a summary, which was more than any other year, but less than releasing tax returns.

Does that clear things up for you?

[mikeysnot]

181. This should clear things up for you....

https://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html

[ehrnst]

189. Not seeing how this refutes what I said.

[Gothmog]

94. Those were not full tax returns

sanders has not released his full tax returns. This has been fact checked https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/06/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-has-released-few-tax-returns-compar/

The 2014 filings Sanders released consist of just the first two summary pages of his Form 1040 and the equivalent summary pages from his home-state Vermont tax form.

Why does this matter? Unlike most of the other candidates, Sanders has not released the succeeding pages -- the nitty gritty detail of things like charitable donations and other types of itemized deductions. For instance, Clinton’s release for tax year 2014 is 44 pages long, or more than 10 times the length of Sanders’ for the same year.
.....

Tax and disclosure experts we contacted agreed that Sanders’ current disclosures are weak by historical standards.

"If I filed the first two pages of my return with the IRS, it would not take long for them to ding me," said Kenneth A. Gross of the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and a specialist in political disclosure and ethics. "There is a lot of information on the pages following the cover pages."

Joseph J. Thorndike, the Tax Analysts official who heads the Tax History Project, agreed.

Sanders "has not, in fact, released his most recent tax return," Thorndike said. "He has released a portion of that return. The IRS would not accept a Form 1040 as a complete return and neither should voters. Also, it’s worth noting that Sanders has not released any portion of his older returns. … If Mitt Romney had tried to release an incomplete return in 2012, the media would never have accepted it."

[mikeysnot]

122. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16886

[Gothmog]

130. Where are the tax returns

Link to tweet

[mikeysnot]

139. here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16893

[Gothmog]

157. This claim has been fact checked and has been established to be false

[mikeysnot]

185. well good to know this seems to be the only thing they got on him...

are they would be playing this as a trump card.

[Gothmog]

186. For this thread

Link to tweet

[mikeysnot]

195. ohh someone in the twittlerverse has an opinion

and is making a broad sweeping generalization based on others twitters comments...

very scientific.

Be afraid, be.... afraid.

[Gothmog]

198. What is sanders hiding? Why has he refused to release his returns?

[lapucelle]

212. So does the Washington Post...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie

[ehrnst]

194. Are you afraid of him being vetted?

[mikeysnot]

196. right vetted.

What do you think they will find?

Do you know if he filed jointly or separately from his wife?

If he is only getting paid from his office, then a 1040 would be all he would need to submit?

So what are you suggesting? What do you have other than smearing and stupid fucking emoji's?

I know...

You got nothing but conjecture.

[ehrnst]

197. I'm not suggesting anything - I'm making observations.

Do you know if he filed jointly or separately from his wife?

OK, how would we even know that he filed jointly or separately from Jane without the returns? You just answered your own question there, didn't you?

If he is only getting paid from his office, then a 1040 would be all he would need to submit?

We know that he is getting income from books, in addition to "his office" because he's selling books on Amazon and at Walmart. And the 1040s summary from 2014 showed income from the Sierra Blanca nuclear waste dump, where Jane is on the board.

So what are you suggesting? What do you have other than smearing and stupid fucking emoji's?

You seem to be very, very upset with the suggestion that Senator Sanders could be held to the same transparency standards that POTUS candidates, especially Democratic candidates have met since Nixon? Several of the current 2020 Dem POTUS candidates have been forthcoming with personal financial information for years.

That sort of reation doesn't indicate confidence that one is confident that Senator Sanders is up to meeting that standard.

Just saying.

[mikeysnot]

202. So you got nothing...

just saying...

[Gothmog]

199. For this thread

Link to tweet

[mikeysnot]

203. oh great another tweet

just like twittler...

[ehrnst]

205. That's one way to avoid answering a post that proves you wrong.

Another way to do that would be to say - "Oh, you're wearing red tie... Just like Comrade Casino." as a response to someone when they reveal a fact that upsets you.

[mikeysnot]

266. From... wait for it.

April 2016.... months before he lost the nomination...

epic



fail

can you get any more desperate to prove yourself.

[ehrnst]

193. And?

Replying with links to other links isn't really making your case....

[mikeysnot]

204. right so I don't have to keep showing you...

...

[ehrnst]

206. What is stopping you from simply copying the text and making it a part of this discussion?

It doesn't give credibility to one's statements when it appears they are trying to avoid actually making the statment, or hide it behind a link.

[mikeysnot]

218. I don't know

maybe linking to it is easier? Just saying.

[ehrnst]

219. Or other reasons.

[Gothmog]

169. Tax returns need to be produced

Link to tweet

?s=20

[mikeysnot]

177. So Dr. J is making the rules now?*

Someones opinion tweet is setting precedent?

Last I looked there is no fucking law that states you have to show your taxes in order to run for president...























* Not a strawman argument, just sarcasm.....

[Gothmog]

178. Is it soon yet?

Link to tweet

[mikeysnot]

180. keep trying....

https://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html

[Gothmog]

183. I was under the impression that sanders promised these tax returns soon

Was sanders lying about this promise? sanders has been promising to release these returns since 2016. I wonder what sanders is hiding?

BTW, New Jersey is in the process of adopting a ballot access law that will require the filing of returns.

[Gothmog]

187. How do you define soon?

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

207. Isn't that the GOP's excuse for Twittler not releasing taxes?

And you're good with that?

[ehrnst]

220. Crickets...

[Gothmog]

82. Jake Tapper fact checked the claim that sanders released returns

[mikeysnot]

120. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16886

[Gothmog]

135. When will the returns be released?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[mikeysnot]

140. here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16893

[Gothmog]

156. This claim has been fact checked and has been established to be false

Link to tweet

[mikeysnot]

265. By a blogger... with a podcast...

ohhh easily impressed you are...

[Gothmog]

268. Bernie Sanders is "providing political cover" for Donald Trump not releasing his tax returns,

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

162. That claim earned for Pinocchios

Link to tweet

[The Wielding Truth]

228. There may be a political snag in his taxes, but his platform is strong. He should release them.

[at140]

229. I care about his agenda and platform, not his taxes...

How much money he made is a private matter, and does not reflect on his qualifications running for president. If I was running for president, I would release my tax returns in a NY minute because My tax returns are simple, with standard deduction for last 55 years. It is usually 2 pages of form 1040 and 1 page of listing interest & dividends. In BS's case, he may have more complex situation and all that will do is give his opponents fodder to micro-analyze his taxes.

Then BS will be forced to spend all sorts of time clarifying his tax returns instead of explaining why his agenda is best for the country and to defeat Trump in general.

[namahage]

230. He said himself they would be "boring."

You calling Sanders (by the way, Sanders supporters get REAL irritated when you call him BS) a liar?

[at140]

232. I still think it should be his personal choice

whether to release his tax returns. Every person deserves some private life.

[at140]

233. Why? Bernie Sanders is his name, and much easier to refer him by initials

Did FDR or JFK or LBJ supporters get annoyed? Much easier to type 2 or 3 letters.

[The Wielding Truth]

231. Me, too. Yet I think he can weather the problem, if any. It is not like him to not be forthcoming.

[Gothmog]

179. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

81. If sanders coes not release returns, it will help trump

Link to tweet

[at140]

235. You have a link to a poll backing your hypothesis?

I have seen several polls, and never saw tax return publication as top 10 issue in any poll.

[ehrnst]

237. Was it a question on any of those polls?

Do you have links to those polls?

[at140]

238. Just Google "polls 2020 issues" ..it is easy to do

I did not post an hypothesis like you did, so you have the responsibility to back up by linking poll(s) to support it.

[ehrnst]

240. So you won't provide links to the polls that you cited as support for your statement.

I have seen several polls, and never saw tax return publication as top 10 issue in any poll.

Got it.

[at140]

242. Read my previous post again. I am not your secretary

and you made a serious hypothesis about release of personal taxes, so you are the one who needs to provide them. Google will give you as many links as your heart desires very fast.

[ehrnst]

244. What "serious hypothesis" did I make?

Are you confusing me with someone else you are arguing with?



I stated that he could end the speculation by releasing them, and he isn't releasing them. That's a statement of fact.

You, however, are refusing to provide links to the polls you cited that support your hypothesis that there isn't much interest in Senator Sanders' taxes, so you can't answer the question if it was even a question on the poll.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence fallacy:

It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true. This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes the possibility that there may have been an insufficient investigation to prove that the proposition is either true or false.It also does not allow for the possibility that the answer is unknowable, only knowable in the future, or neither completely true nor completely false.

Certainly Senator Sanders believes that there is significant interest in his tax returns - why else would he have promised to release "10 years worth sooner than later" a month ago, when he could have just said what you have, that there isn't any interest in his taxes and that they are a private matter?

Any ideas on why he doesn't share your POV concerning this?

[ehrnst]

247. Since you brought up the google....

Tax returns contain vital information such as whether a candidate or a president has paid any taxes; what they own; what they’ve borrowed and from whom; whether they’ve made charitable contributions; whether they’ve taken advantage of tax loopholes or offshore tax shelters; and whether they have foreign bank accounts. Only a full release of tax returns can provide the public with clear information as to potential conflicts of interest and whether there could be potential entanglements with foreign governments and foreign businesses.

What we know about the current president’s finances are instructive as to the importance of tax returns. Last year, a stunning New York Times investigative report revealed that President Trump received the equivalent of $413 million in today’s dollars from his father but avoided paying millions of dollars in taxes through complex financial arrangements and questionable tax loopholes which experts say could constitute tax fraud. In light of these revelations, it’s more important than ever that this president release his tax returns and that Congress takes action to ensure future presidents and candidates do the same.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/425784-why-all-presidential-nominees-should-release-their-tax-returns


Poll: Public supports disclosure of tax returns for presidential candidates

https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/05/20/poll-public-supports-disclosure-of-tax-returns-for-presidential-candidates/

[Gothmog]

245. Are you kidding?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[ehrnst]

248. Crickets...

[George II]

150. That's not true, they have, and it's really not relevant to this discussion.....

.....We're talking about OUR potential candidates releasing their income tax returns. Most of our candidates do so, Elizabeth Warren released 10 years' worth even before she became a candidate.

This candidate has been planning on running again next year since August 2016, he's had lots of time to prepare for this.

And at this point I'm really not interested in trump's income taxes.

[enid602]

49. Relevance

Maybe he’s afraid that if he DOES release the taxes, journalists will no longer have any questions for him.

[Cha]

63. I know, ehrnst.. How to avoid Awkward and Embarrassing

questions 101.

Quit Stalling.

[at140]

227. BS should not be forced to release tax returns

If he cheated on taxes, it is the job of IRS to find that and penalize accordingly.
Because I consider taxes are private matter between him and the IRS.
If anyone violates tax laws, it can become public knowledge because IRS can publicize gross violations of tax law. We have seen ample examples of people being prosecuted for such.
I have seen no such news in media about BS's tax returns.

[ehrnst]

239. Who said anything about "forcing him" to release his taxes?

Clearly he hasn't been "forced" to release any. No one is forcing him to run for POTUS as a Demcorat, he chose to do that.

Because I consider taxes are private matter between him and the IRS.

POTUS candidacy comes with scrutiny that is not applicable to others. Personal financials can indicate where there might be a conflict of interest as POTUS, even if legal.

I assume you are also against Trump releasing his, because you "consider it to be a private matter?"

Democrats value transparency in candidates. We don't want something that might be a problem showing up out of the blue at the last minute, do we?

[at140]

241. How high is publication of personal taxes on your list of priorities?

on my list it is close to the bottom. I care much more about affordable healthcare for all, higher taxes on top 5% incomes, cutting military spending, not starting foreign wars, clean water and air, and quality K-12 education for all.

May be on your priority list personal taxes and wealth of the candidate is very important. I have no problem with that. It is your choice.

[ehrnst]

246. Not going to answer the question? Who is "forcing" him to release his taxes?

Change the topic, and avoiding answering the question asked of you. It is your choice.

So, why do you think that Senator Sanders feels the need to release 10 years of his tax returns, if there is - as you claim, as per some polls you say you read - no real interest in them?

Why didn't he just say, "People aren't interested in them, and they are a private matter," if that is indeed true?


People are certainly interested in why Trump hasn't released his taxes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-of-americans-believe-house-dems-should-release-trumps-tax-returns-poll/ar-BBQrqnD

[we can do it]

4. Lots of things wrong with BS.

Taxes
Women
People of Color
Russians

[mikeysnot]

30. I call BS is alright....

Taxes = did not hurt trump, and still doesn't
Women = Conjecture based on what... someones opinion?
POC = really? Who said?
Russians... did not hurt trump, so Bernie is colluding with the russians? really

Right... total BS.

[ehrnst]

46. ....

Taxes = did not hurt trump, and still doesn't

- did and does.

Women = Conjecture based on what... someones opinion?

- google Masha Medieto/ Arturo Carmona for some recent revelations

POC = really? Who said?

Again a google search of "Bernie Sanders" POC would clear this up for you.

Russians... did not hurt trump, so Bernie is colluding with the russians? really

Who is saying Bernie colluded with the Russians? Good luck with that strawman.

[mikeysnot]

51. So you got nothing

and you expect me to look up your shit for you?

[ehrnst]

52. I think it would be helpful to read the post before responding.

As far people asking you to google, I think you may have missed this post, as you haven't responded to it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=14971


You're welcome.

I really like the meme you posted!

[Cha]

56. She had everything.. just because

you deny it doesn't make it any less true.

[Eliot Rosewater]

58. I could go on for hours actually, but it will NEVER change certain minds. it is all in black and

white yet...oh well.

[mikeysnot]

74. she had everything because you said so?

ok... glad to know you are all knowing.

[ehrnst]

90. Cha isn't "all knowing." Cha just demonstrates more understanding of the post than you do.

Is that clearer?

Also:

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Cha]

95. I do know she knows what she's

talking about and you don't.

[mikeysnot]

121. and what is that exactly do you even know

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16886

[Cha]

123. Stop digging.

[mikeysnot]

124. I'm not

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=16886

[ehrnst]

152. What issues do you have with typing out your responses, instead of linking repeatedly to the one

you posted more than 24 hours ago?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. A whole lotta nuthin goin on!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Tipperary]

64. Why has he not released his returns?

Please explain that to me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. It's called "in process"-same reason for ALL the many candidates who've yet to release their returns

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Tipperary]

69. But I remember him saying he was going to release them, what? Two, three years ago?

Do you remember?

[George II]

83. In April 2016 Jane said the 2015 returns would be released in April 2016.

[Tipperary]

84. And it never happened.

Strange.

[ehrnst]

71. For years? (nt)

[George II]

85. "In process"? Maybe this year's returns are "in process" but there are many other years...

...that have already been filed that are not in process. I can put my hands (fingers) on 15 years of tax returns within five minutes.

The issue of releasing tax returns isn't new, it's been hanging out there for years.

[Cha]

54. Excellent Explaining the reality

to him, ehrnst!

[mikeysnot]

76. the post to which I wa replying to stated .... russians.

without any context sooo...

[ehrnst]

93. That post said nothing about "colluding with Russians"

so...



A simple google search shows you what context Russia has with the topic.

So, here you go. I hope this clears things up for you.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bernie+russia+mueller&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS821US821&oq=Bernie+russia+mueller&aqs=chrome..69i57.8439j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


Your image is so useful! Thanks!

[GemDigger]

249. It is because of Trump that I must see those tax returns before I can vote for anyone.

It is too late after the fact. Second on the list is Russia/China/voting security.

We need to know we can trust /him/her before it's too late.

[mikeysnot]

256. right great comparison....

because Bernie is JUST like trump....

rolling my eyes... in slow motion.

[GemDigger]

257. First, I didn't say that.

Second, Did I hit a nerve?

[mikeysnot]

258. First... yes you did.

You wrote this...

It is because of Trump that I must see those tax returns before I can vote for anyone.

And second... you give yourself waaaayyyyy tooo much credit.

[GemDigger]

259. If you insist.

I give myself credit for doing what I think is right. For voting for the reasons that I think is right.

Also I won't vote for anyone who hasn't shown their taxes before I vote for them because I have watched trump and learned a lesson that the republicans and democrats should have learned.

Let me actually say what you think I said. Sanders is pulling a Trump with his taxes. It was dangerous when trump did it and I will consider it dangerous if bernie does it as well. There, I said it.

[mikeysnot]

261. not insisting on anything

your words speak volumes.

BTW, your rules are not the same as US rules. But that is your choice and I can respect that but it is a losing cause.

If Bernies taxes are all anyone has on him they are going to feel foolish when he does release them.

womp, womp.

[GemDigger]

262. For you. Listen to the last 10 seconds. From his own mouth to anyone who cares to listen.

He has NO intention of releasing them. Until it's TOO LATE.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=7221

womp womp

[mikeysnot]

264. If I won the nomination...

nuff said.


Until its' too late! Hair on fire...


Right womp womp...

[GemDigger]

270. If he wins the nomination it is too late. He will be the only choice. There is no other choice at

that point.

[mikeysnot]

273. too late for what

finding out he is the poorest member of the Senate?

Ohh my god!

[GemDigger]

274. I don't give a fuck if he is poor. I do give a fuck if he is dishonest.

[mikeysnot]

275. aaaannnd what would or did he do for you to suspect anything?

Wishful thinking or projection?

[mikeysnot]

278. So when all else fails make shit up?

[mikeysnot]

279. Dishonest?

And you base this on what?

[LovingA2andMI]

79. All Of This......

Correct!

[Gothmog]

5. Why has sanders not released these returns?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[NastyRiffraff]

16. The "I didn't release them because I didn't win" is bullshit

The time to release tax returns is obviously BEFORE people vote, so they can--you know--take the returns into account to influence their votes. That's the purpose of releasing them.

But that's exactly what Sanders doesn't want.

[Gothmog]

18. Agree-that is a very weak excuse

[calimary]

35. All it does is make me question what he's trying to hide.

Hey, we’ve got that in OUR White House ALREADY! Why do we want another one?

[Sneederbunk]

6. BTW have Dotard's returns been subpoenaed? If no, why not?

[Empowerer]

12. I don't know. Do you?

But that's a separate issue. Deflection ...

[Gothmog]

111. trump's tax returns are being asked for in two different ways

In the emolument lawsuits, there are subpoenas issued for these returns

Secondly, the House Ways and Means committee will be asking for these returns directly from the IRS under a law that allows this committee and the Senate Finance Committee to request any return

[R B Garr]

7. Wow, how very suspicious. Who could take his frequent

admonishments of others character seriously when this looks so suspicious now.

[calimary]

38. Yeah. I totally get that. It's a big lit-up neon STOP sign for me.

Why is he dragging his heels and making excuses through not one but, now, TWO presidential election cycles?

Looks BAD, people.

Looks FISHY.

And it sure smells that way.

I will welcome being proved wrong on this. But I’ve got big red flags waving and red lights flashing.

[Tipperary]

70. This.

+1000.

[Amimnoch]

9. Never BS!

Are there any other major candidates for the POTUS office besides him and 45 that absolutely and repeatedly refuse to show the American voting public their tax filings??

[R B Garr]

10. Exactly! So glad this is getting to be a disqualifying

factor.

[mikeysnot]

119. Are you going to demand his long form birth certificate also

that is what this BS is reminding me off.

[Amimnoch]

126. Nice false equivalence fallacy you have there.

Are there decades of precedent of candidates submitting their long form birt certificates? No there isn’t. The attack by the right on President Obama for a birth certificate (something with no precedent at all) is not equivalent to expecting BS to show his tax returns (decades of precedent).

So, rather than trying to run me down this false equivalency red herring, you have any answer? What other candidate other than 45 and BS has refused?

[mikeysnot]

143. refused?

or hasn't released yet? The forbes article I posted previously stated that he did release his 2015 tax return....

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two completely opposing arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt". Sarcasm may employ ambivalence, although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic. Most noticeable in spoken word, sarcasm is mainly distinguished by the inflection with which it is spoken and is largely context-dependent.

you need to learn the difference.

FYI, trump did NOT RELEASE HIS TAX returns and he is president, so ....

if this is all you got then feel the Bern!

[Amimnoch]

146. Yes, refused. 1040+2 page summary is NOT a release.

There is refusal by word, and refusal by deed. No, BS has not openly refused. His actions through years of delay speak otherwise, so I'm sticking with "refused" as the appropriate action verb here. You may choose to ignore it, and you may even choose consider it completely unimportant. Others do.

Sorry, but a 2014 single year release of just the 1040 + 2 page summary don't qualify as a partial release in my book. Again, you are fully within your own right to disagree. By the way, it was 2014, not 2015.

But, let's talk about that one, and the bitty bit of info in it.. since you raised it:
Declared (but not detailed) income of $205,617. Congressional salary $174,000. Unspecified itemized deductions of $56,377. Paid an income tax rate of only 13.4%. This was several years after Jane's Burlington thing (don't worry, I'll follow the rules and not go into details on that here, but do know, tRumpublicons won't be so kind), so she wasn't working at that time (or if she was, I haven't found any reference to it on a search, but I'm okay if that's the variance). Where'd the extra $31,617 come from? Stocks? Bonds? A Russian Oligarch purchasing property from him at an inflated price? A side Job Jane was working? What are all the deductions about? So, no, many of us don't accept that lone, cherry-picked year in limited form as an actual release. this may very well be a HUGE, overblown nothing burger.. it may be very revealing. Hard to know, now, isn't it?

Now, on to your dear concerns about my grasp of fallacies.

The post I responded to was comparing the birther demands to these tax return demands. That, by the full definition IS a false equivalence, and for the VERY reasons I specified. The post I responded to may have been "sarcasm" as well, but my association of it as a false equivalence argument remains spot on.

Perhaps it is YOU who need to learn the difference?

I will say, it is most interesting that you bring into the conversation that 45 has likewise not released his tax returns. Are you equating things 45 does to things BS does? We may have some common ground after all! Are you implying that it's okay that BS didn't because 45 didn't? So sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree. See, to me, it's equally unacceptable. Especially since both seem to have soooo many questions and media attention and public figures who've focused on them for those returns. What are THEY hiding??

[Gothmog]

147. This claim was fact checked and shown to be false

[George II]

149. No, he never released his 2015 tax return, never. He released his 2014 return....

At first it was just the 2-page 1040 form, which is essentially a summary sheet, very little detail - no sources of income, itemized deductions, etc.. After huge pushback and criticism, a month or two later he released five more pages.

He also refused to file his required FEC Personal Financial Disclosure form. Since we're defining term, by "refused" I mean that he filed for a 45-day extension, which was granted. Then approaching the new deadline he filed for another 45-day extension which was granted. That took him to about a week or two after the Convention, so he ultimately never filed that disclosure, claiming "I'm no longer a candidate".

Finally, you're using trump as the "standard" as to whether or not a Democrat should do something? Really????

[Persondem]

136. You really need to stop with the strawman nonsense. Looks foolish. nt

[mikeysnot]

141. strawman huh...

how so?

A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."

Sarcasm

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt". Sarcasm may employ ambivalence, although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic. Most noticeable in spoken word, sarcasm is mainly distinguished by the inflection with which it is spoken and is largely context-dependent.

you need to learn the difference.

[Gothmog]

148. Your claims have been fact checked

Link to tweet

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. Which candidates have released their returns so far?

And which have not?

[R B Garr]

13. Which one has been promising to show them since 2016?

Which one demands transparency of others but not himself?

[WeekiWater]

33. I think it goes like this.

Gillibrand 11 years worth along with other financial forms.

Warren 10 years.

Harris, one year and an appointment has to be set to see them in person.

Not sure about the rest.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

47. Great, that's two of my favorites.

I'd vote for Warren or Harris in a heartbeat. Not sure about Gillibrand (in the primary), don't know much about her yet.

The primary vote will be difficult, with so many good people running.

[WeekiWater]

48. I really really like Gillibrand.

I have stopped talking about her here because I understand how personal some here feel about her. I would happily vote for her.

I'm sold on Warren and Harris.

[TCJ70]

14. Let's take the positive view: He wants to release more than enough...

...to get people to quit complaining about what is probably a non-issue.

Oh who am I kidding...a certain subset of people will insist it’s never enough and year 11 MUST contain the incriminating information. WHY NOT 30 YEARS, BERNIE!!?!?!

[Empowerer]

15. Sanders had been running for president for 4 years.

Why is it so difficult at this point for him to get his taxes together?

If he had released them when he first started running, this wouldn't be an issue. The fact that this is a big deal is totally on him.

[LovingA2andMI]

80. Exactly!!!

It's not hard. He does not want too, point, blank, period.

[dsc]

23. with the exception of Trump

he released few years than anyone who lasted beyond the first four contests in 2016. On the Democratic side he released the fewest period. Clinton actually did release 30 years and according to Sanders and his supporters that wasn't enough, they wanted the transcripts of every word she ever uttered to anyone, any place, for any amount of money no matter how trivial.

[TCJ70]

24. I don't disagree with you that Bernie should release his tax returns...

...so let's get that out of the way. I would like a source on Bernie's supporters saying Hillary's tax disclosures weren't thorough enough, though. To conflate tax returns and her speeches is a pretty blatant attempt to blur the issue there.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. Yes, that tax return from 1950, when Bernie was a paperboy... where is it?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Tipperary]

68. Huh?

[lapucelle]

78. People are asking for the very recent tax returns of a presidential candidate who is a US senator.

Nobody is asking about any presidential candidate's apocryphal childhood tax returns from 60+ years ago.

[ehrnst]

91. Attacking straw men doesn't tend to lend one's position much credibility. (nt)

[BannonsLiver]

113. That's about the response I expected.

[emulatorloo]

155. Gillibrand and Warren have released the last 10 years. That's all that's being asked of Bernie

Apparently one can call the IRS and ask for copies of your old tax returns and have them in 30 days

[Adrahil]

115. He's either incompetent or hiding something.

Seriously. His taxes are done. All he has to do is release them.

[George II]

153. Knowing that he would be running again as long ago as August 2016....

....he's had plenty of time to prepare for this. If, as you say, "he wants to release more than enough...." there is no reason to not have already done so. Elizabeth Warren released ten years even before she announced her candidacy.

[forklift]

17. Personally, I wish Sanders would release the tax returns

and put it behind him.

This won't be like 2016 because he is one of the front-runners and will be far more vetted than last time.

Hillary couldn't get her economic message because she was dogged with the email question in every place she went and by every reporter who interviewed her.

The same might happen to Sanders and his economic message drowned out with a focus on his tax returns.

His policies and economic platform are much too important to be drowned out by trivial issues like tax returns.

He should release them and get it over with so he can move on.

[Empowerer]

19. I agree

Not only does failing yo release them cause a distraction that won't go away, it raises suspicions that there's something in them that is worse than the trouble that keeping them secret is causing him. Until he releases them, he's going to have a problem and the longer he waits, the worse the problem becomes.

[calimary]

39. Exactly.

What, exactly, IS it that he seems so determined not to let us see?

Color me suspicious.

VERY suspicious.

[lunamagica]

20. "We have to do a little few more things"? What does that even mean?

Last edited Tue Feb 26, 2019, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

[Empowerer]

21. It's clear there's something in those returns he doesn't want the public to see

The only question at this point is what is it he doesn't want us to know?

[Tipperary]

65. Yes, it is very clear.

He seems to be hiding something. What elese are we to think?

[emulatorloo]

154. Only speculation but

I suspect it might have to do with how much Jane money may have made on “ad buys” during Senator Sanders’ various campaigns.

See for example:

The Potential Scandal at the Heart of the Sanders Campaign
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/31/1532953/-The-Potential-Scandal-at-the-Heart-of-the-Sanders-Campaign

[Gothmog]

159. I am curious about this potential issue also

[Gothmog]

22. Senator Gillibrand has released her taxes

Link to tweet

/photo/1

[WeekiWater]

32. One of the most transparent members of congress. By far. NT

[lapucelle]

59. And progressive

[BannonsLiver]

25. Prediction: He's never going to release them.

[calimary]

40. Well, then, he'll never have my support.

Unless he’s all that’s left still standing at the end. And I will have to hold my nose to vote for him. Right now, I have one really solid and credible reason not to.

TAX RETURNS, Bernie. Cough ‘em up. Or else you’re no better than trump. And evidently just as sneaky.

I will very much welcome being proved wrong on this. Please prove me wrong - if for no other reason than for the sake of all the people who have such faith in you, Bernie.

[Tipperary]

145. I am with you.

However, I am not one of those who has much faith in him.

[calimary]

166. Okay, just being a curmudgeon here. But we've GOT. TO. HAVE. THE. TAX. RETURNS. PERIOD!!!

GOT TO!!!

What a horrible precedent that - now, because trump never coughed up his, will in effect be cemented into place. When it's "already baked into the cake" - as the saying goes. Mitt Romney tried to, back in 2012. FINALLY relented and released his tax returns. But we've had solid NOs now for what likely will be TWO election cycles - 2016 AND 2020, where that bastard won't do it, unless he's forced to by either subpoena(s) or the Supreme Court he still thinks he owns now.

That trump has gotten away with it, and Bernie might try to also, makes me almost sick to my stomach. Now, future candidates will point to trump, or worse, "trump and Bernie. BOTH SIDES! BOTH SIDES!" And we'll be forever screwed after that. Nobody's gonna have to release their tax returns if Bernie tries to do it, too, AND succeeds. If he finally relents and does the right thing, then I give him a thumbs-up, and will be happy to say so. But if he stays stubborn, and locks that new precedent in place - (and you can imagine the yowls - "BOTH SIDES! BOTH SIDES!&quot , then we're screwed. And he, personally, will have done far more long-term, long-range damage to our democracy than maybe even trump. If trump is able to obstruct this, then he becomes an anomaly in the history books. An asterisk. But if Bernie does the same thing, he becomes the mortar cementing, together in place, all the bricks of this alternate kind of "wall" that trump laid in place. No candidate from then on can argue that - "well BOTH SIDES BOTH SIDES do it! Look at trump! Look at Bernie!" and LOSE that argument. It becomes just another one of those silly/screwy/push the far edges things that candidates can, and increasingly WILL, do.

So you don't care might actually "own" that candidate? He/She owes money to that person/entity/lobbyist/pressure-group? What if he/she can be blackmailed or arm-twisted in the shadows to do something that benefits exclusively one entity whose best interests defy or violate the law or acceptable leadership standards - to the maybe-severe detriment of a majority of Americans, if not all the rest of us?

WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TAX RETURNS, BERNIE. Seriously. You owe it to yourself. You owe it to all the people who believe in you and trust you and whose hearts you've securely won - many of them staying loyal since the last round began. You're gonna hear way too much of "what's he trying to hide?" And it's rightfully going to upset you, especially if you're actually hiding nothing. (And no, I have not ruled that out.) So come on, Senator. Do the right thing.

[Tipperary]

171. Sadly, I just do not believe he will.

He has no intention of doing so. I really would love to know what he is hiding.

[calimary]

172. Then that will always be hanging over his head: WHAT IS HE HIDING?

[blue cat]

26. I am concerned about how trump can attack him.

Jane is a prime exam. What kind of mechanical error would keep her from a simple request? Is she ready for prime time First Lady? And why didn’t Bernie endorse his own son? These things are going to come it and I can’t give a good explanation. We need someone without family mess.

[TexasTowelie]

29. See post #28.

[TexasTowelie]

28. Mechanical issues?

1) The USB cable rotted and needs to be replaced.
2) He needs to purchase new toner ink cartridges for the printer.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

61. LOL.

[WeekiWater]

31. Sanders supporters first choice in 2016, checking in!!!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128714755

[LakeArenal]

36. We all " have a few little things to check out" as well.

Release them.

[forklift]

55. There must be an innocent excuse

Copier malfunction probably. Must be waiting for some special part from Japan which won't be available till August 2020.

[lapucelle]

60. I want a general election candidate who can hammer Trump on the secrecy of his tax returns.

Can you imagine this general election debate scenario:

"President Trump, Candidate X, you will each have one minute to make a statement explaining to voters why you are unwilling to release your tax returns. Your statements will be followed by questions from our panel."

[Blue_true]

62. His changing statements on tax returns is concerning. nt

[peggysue2]

97. Number 1, he's had plenty of time to . . .

get things together and work out those 'mechanical' problems. I don't even know what that means.

Number 2, he's not being truthful about the criticism of the non-release on the last go-around.

Number 3, this is just a classic stall. There's something there he does not want primary voters to see because if they were really boring they would have been released yesterday.

Number 4, he says the reason he didn't release in 2016 is because he didn't win the primary. Is this the expectation for 2020? Maybe it comes down to a Clintonesque response: depends on the meaning of the word 'soon.'

What's truly boring is the endless excuse regarding the matter.

Sorry Senator Sanders, this isn't going away. Just give it up.

[Andy823]

98. I totally agree

He is using the same tactics now as he did in 2016 to stall, except for the "mechanical" thing.
Bernie has no intention of show us his taxes. I can pull up my tax returns for 10 years in a matter hours. He knew this question would come up so why did he not have them ready to show people?

[sprinkleeninow]

102. Mechanical? What. The crank handle on the carbon paper copy machine is busted? 😱

😆

[patricia92243]

99. lol - I thought this post was going to be about Trump and was in the wrong forum.

[Maru Kitteh]

100. Seriously. What the ever-loving hell is being hidden in those returns?

It must be bad, to keep hiding them so very long.

[BannonsLiver]

101. At this point whatever is eventually released is suspect.

Credibility falling.

[forklift]

104. Ekkkkzactly

My prediction 1: He will release a few pages from each year except 2016 and his sycophants will be happy with it. Rest of us will continue to hound but it will fall on deaf ears.

My Prediction 2: a bunch of Tad Devine types are going over them (hopefully not with a bottle of white-out or a roll of white tape) to see how they could put a proverbial lipstick on the thing they want hidden from the American people.

When he releases them, no one can verify if they are real anyway. The only way is to look at depreciation numbers from year to year to year and see if the asset basis and depreciations match.

[betsuni]

103. Remember what he said about Hillary's speeches:

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!"

His taxes must be fantastic! Brilliant taxes which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!

[Maru Kitteh]

112. Ah yes. I await with bated breath his Shakespearean taxes.

Well I would, but I fear I would probably die.

[LongtimeAZDem]

110. It has gone on long enough to produce the appearance of a cover-up

[Mr Tibbs]

114. He will release them obviously

Curious why he is the only one whose tax returns people are freaking out over.

[Adrahil]

116. Because he promised to release them and never did?

I mean, it suggests there is something to hide. If he isn’t, he should just release them and neutralize this issue.

[Mr Tibbs]

129. He didn't make it past the prinaries

Once he lost the primary race, the obligation to release them ended. Still not understanding why he is being singled out.

[SFnomad]

131. BS isn't being singled out ... do you know of any other viable Democratic candidate

that hasn't released their tax returns?

[mcar]

118. Then where are they?

Other candidates have released theirs. Why is he taking so long?

[NurseJackie]

125. He and Jane have NO INTENTION of releasing them.

He and Jane have NO INTENTION of releasing them. If they were going to release ten years of their FULL tax returns, they would have done so already.

Jane and he want us to imagine that they're searching through unmarked shoeboxes of paperwork stored in their attic... only... this is not 1968. Neither he nor Jane are the technological Luddites that they're pretending to be.

There is NO "tweaking" or "adjusting" or "finalizing" or polishing that needs to be done. Fact of the matter is... if those tax returns were good enough for the IRS, then they are good enough to present to the American people.

The American people deserve to know where their money comes from, whether taxes were paid properly and promptly, where it's being saved (domestic or offshore), and where it's being invested.

Yet all we hear is excuse after excuse and delay upon delay. It looks fishy.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

132. Supremely well said Nurse Jackie.

[Gothmog]

160. I fear that you are correct

[NurseJackie]

163. All these delays and excuses and broken promises... it certainly looks fishy.

All these delays and excuses and broken promises... it certainly looks fishy.

What's the delay? If the tax returns were complete enough to submit to the IRS, then they are complete enough to release to the American voters. No "polishing" or "adjusting" or "clarifying" or "fixing-up" or "fine-tuning" is necessary.

Everyone should play by the same rules. No special favors for anyone! No exceptions.

The American people have the right to know whether or not anyone running to be the "Leader of the Free World" has properly paid his taxes. We have the right for an honest, forthcoming, and COMPLETE release of his FULL tax returns for a period of TEN years so that we can confirm where the candidate's money is coming from (including his/her spouse) and where the candidate is investing or saving (ie: domestic or off-shore) and what the candidate and his/her spouse claims as "deductibles" or other assets.

We need to see EVERY candidate's tax returns BEFORE the primaries... so that we'll know whether or not he or she is honest and has the integrity to be our party's nominee.

It's complete BS for any candidate to think they're entitled to DELAY and not release their tax returns until they win the nomination. All I'm saying is that the American voters deserve better than the peek-a-boo and hide-and-seek delays and excuses.

If there's nothing fishy going on, then there's NO reason for these delays from ANYONE. What's being hidden?

[NastyRiffraff]

127. So this time, when he doesn't win the nomination

he won't release them? What a lame excuse. The purpose of releasing tax returns for any candidate, including even the Mighty Bernie, is so voters can use them to evaluate the candidate. Certainly they're not the only factor in evaluation, but they are important in order to see where the candidate is financially and possibly pinpoint any problems.

Bernie is hopelessly incoherent when discussing this issue. Why?

[NurseJackie]

133. Primary voters need to see the full tax returns now!

[SFnomad]

128. You would think that whatever it is BS is hiding, he'd want to get it out there now

so that it doesn't linger into the actual primaries. The sooner he releases them, the sooner he can get whatever it is he doesn't want discovered, behind him.

[Gothmog]

134. When will these tax returns be released?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Cha]

138. Is it "soon" yet?

[Gothmog]

161. I and others are wondering the same thing

Link to tweet

[Cha]

167. Excellent! Dueling tweets!

Link to tweet

[Maxheader]

142. Well I just sent mine in..via electronic transfer...

And received notification fed and state have accepted them...
Not so hard...
These candidates with questionable taxes...hmmm...

[KitSileya]

158. Two weeks later - "soon" doesn't mean what I thought it meant, obviously

My guess? They're frantically refiling separately, so that Senator Sanders won't have to show his wife's assets. Considering what she probably earned on the Old Towne Media deal, they're probably quite rich now, and that might not be what Senator Sanders want out in public. If they refile separately, he can claim he wants to keep his wife's privacy, and hide their wealth at the same time. So, if he either never releases them, or he releases his separate filings, we can assume he's hiding something.

[Gothmog]

164. If they file separate amended returns, we will see that the returns are amended

[George II]

165. According to his Senate financial disclosures almost all of their assets are in Jane's name....

....very little is in his name.

So, if they refile their taxes separately it will be quite evident.

[NurseJackie]

168. Old Towne Media and her arrangements could be problematic.

Is there more to the story than meets the eye? People deserve to know the facts.

[oasis]

170. "Soon"

[Gothmog]

173. every interviewer should be asking why he hasn't released his taxes

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

174. Is it soon yet?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[dalton99a]

175. It won't happen. Ever.

[greymattermom]

176. My guess is that they are no longer married.

Couples have done this for tax reasons. The marriage tax was lowered but still exists.

[ehrnst]

190. You mean on Reddit?

[George II]

192. What do you consider "the real world". I know of many who care about it, and....

....we've seen reports on the news that it's a significant thing that people are considering when choosing a candidate.

[OhZone]

191. Patience! Soon it will be!

[img][/img]

[Gothmog]

200. sanders tax returns are necessary for the vetting of sanders

Link to tweet

[SidDithers]

201. Any day now...nt

Sid

[McCamy Taylor]

208. Kneecapping is never nice.Just say no.

[Cha]

209. ...

[NurseJackie]

210. Nobody is doing that.

This is a legitimate issue that must be addressed. It's unfair for anyone to try dodging the issue by bullying posters with false accusations of kneecapping.

[lapucelle]

213. Just say "no" to asking for relevant information from candidates?

How is aking for and/or expecting honest disclosure from presidential candidates "kneecapping"?

Kneecapping is a form of malicious wounding, often as torture, in which the victim is injured in the knee.

As a metaphor "kneecapping" suggests being limited by external imposition in a way that prevents full freedom of movement or utilization of resources.

[R B Garr]

214. Kick for the tax returns.

“Bernie gets defensive”. Oh well, get the tax returns anyway. It’s been years!

[Adrahil]

215. I did my taxes today.

I could post the PDFs right freakin’ now.

What is Bernie hiding?

[Maru Kitteh]

216. How the hell could there be "a few little things" left?

*BUZZER SOUND*

[Gothmog]

217. Jennifer Rubin will keep on asking this question until sanders releases his tax returns

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[Cha]

221. BS is too busy hiring 3rd party "attack dogs"..

Sanders Promised Civility but Hired Twitter Attack Dog - The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/

[at140]

236. I have a feeling FDR, JFK, LBJ did the same thing...

just routine operating procedure in running for office.
It is called opposition research.

[Cha]

251. 3rd party "attack dog" Liars that helped

get trump rigged in?

Sanders Promised Civility but Hired Twitter Attack Dog - The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/

I don't think so.

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Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters weren’t big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters — even if Sanders voters didn’t vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

[Gothmog]

222. Kirsten Gillibrand released her 2018 tax returns on Wednesday

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[BlueFlorida]

223. The longer he stalls

the more critical this issue becomes and the less credible the eventual release will be.

[Gothmog]

224. Inslee, a 2020 presidential hopeful, released his tax returns this morning.

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[Gothmog]

225. Is sanders going to redact his tax returns?

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[Andy823]

226. Every tax return before 2018 should be easy to release.

His wife says they use turbo tax, all you have to do is open up the file and print "all" the returns for each year. He may not have 2018 ready yet, but the rest wouldn't take more than 30 minutes to print out.

I never did understand his dotting the I's and crossing the Ts comments.

[Firestorm49]

234. You guys can grouse about this all day.

If we expect it from Trump, we best lead by example. If there's something Bernie wants to hide, it will cripple his expectations - period.

[GemDigger]

243. Wrong Bernie! After the nomination is way,TOO LATE. After the nomination is a problem with my

trust factor. I will not fall for kind of game play. I will not vote for ANYONE who has not shown their returns. If someone like that is the last man or woman standing then I hope I die the night before I have to mark the oval next to that name.

[Tarheel_Dem]

250. K&R

[NastyRiffraff]

252. "Soon" seems to be

Whenever Saint Bernard says it is. And he is never, ever wrong.

[Gothmog]

253. Another candidate releases their tax returns

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[BlueFlorida]

254. I am starting to feel like

they will never be released because whatever is hiding there is an existential threat to Bernie Sanders.

So we will get a "stay tuned" message from Bernie all the time as he counts on his devotees and his David Sirota machine to minimize people's demands for transparency.

I have seen right here on DU how people have said that it is not important to them because the "revolution" is far too important to be slowed down by pesky details like tax returns.

[EveHammond13]

255. Unacceptable. Cut the crap already and release the tax returns.

Not going to cut it if you think you're going to string us along for months until you "win the nomination" and then never ever release them.

[Gothmog]

260. Washington Post-Enough with the excuses. It's time for Sanders to release his tax returns.

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It has been more than a month since Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told a national audience during a CNN town hall that he would release 10 years of his personal taxes “soon,” adding, “We have to do just a few little more things.” Five weeks later, it seems those “little” things still aren’t done; he told CBS on Sunday that “we have it all done and it’s just a question of dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.”

Enough with the excuses, Senator. These sorts of shenanigans — and make no mistake, that’s exactly what they are at this point — both reduce the pressure on cowardly congressional Democrats to pursue President Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns, and endanger Democrats’ hopes of taking back the presidency in 2020. The progressive positions that Sanders champions, including Medicare-for-all, expanded Social Security and increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour, are much too important to both the future of our country and our own personal finances to risk them over tax returns.

Trump broke with decades of precedent in refusing to make his tax returns public when he was running for president. The result? Not only don’t we know our president’s net worth, we also have little idea how he earned his fortune or how he makes his money now. Minus his paperwork, it’s hard to determine whether Trump is using the White House as a just-in-time moneymaking opportunity, violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution, and/or even paying his fair share of taxes at all.

[Gothmog]

263. From the Hoarse Whisperer

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[Gothmog]

269. Bernie Sanders is "providing political cover" for Donald Trump not releasing his tax returns,

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[Gothmog]

271. Stephanie Ruhl-Could Bernie Sanders' tax returns drive his supporters away?

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[Gothmog]

272. For this thread

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[Thekaspervote]

276. There are now 3 states that will require release of tax returns to be placed on the ballot

This IS coming to an end.. one way or another