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**New NH primary polling (UNH) Sanders 26% Biden 22% Harris 10% Warren 7%** (Original Post) workinclasszero Feb 2019 OP
It will be interesting to see if either Biden or O'Rourke get a bump if/when they announce. irresistable Feb 2019 #1
It will be interesting for sure workinclasszero Feb 2019 #3
Well, since only 30 of the 604 people polled were decided, there's still 574 more to bump anyone. George II Mar 2019 #32
One early poll. Dawson Leery Feb 2019 #2
Especially since 95% of the respondents haven't decided yet that's 19 of every 20 respondents! George II Feb 2019 #6
Not representative of the US demographics. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #4
Plus.............see #5 below. George II Feb 2019 #7
According to the pollster, only 5% have definitely decided who their candidate is.... George II Feb 2019 #5
Ha ha ha ha ha! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #8
What a deceptive headline / conclusion... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #9
All of these preference and hypothetical matchup polls are meaningless. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #37
Indeed. Meaningless and fake. Meant to rally-the-troops... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #38
Also interesting namahage Mar 2019 #18
That means that almost five times as many respondents said they would not vote for Sanders.... George II Mar 2019 #22
My guys the dark horse. :) BootinUp Feb 2019 #10
Yes, but he's less than 1.5% behind the front runner!!! George II Feb 2019 #11
BOOOOM!! But, but, Bernie has no chance and should withdraw for the good of the Democratic Party!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #12
LOL workinclasszero Feb 2019 #13
You know it!! The only one who can give Bernie a run for his money is Uncle Joe... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #16
You do realize, right, that there are 49 other states? And that these polls are meaningless? Garrett78 Mar 2019 #17
Didn't you know? namahage Mar 2019 #19
That does seem to be a popular opinion. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #26
Here's the early schedule and the pledged delegates up for grabs - NH is worth only 24!: George II Mar 2019 #33
You left off South Carolina. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #34
South Carolina hasn't formally announced their date yet. There are 10-15 who haven't. George II Mar 2019 #35
All signs point to SC's Democratic Primary being February 29. Garrett78 Mar 2019 #36
Well, at least so goes 94.7% white Vermont, anyway. George II Mar 2019 #30
1.3% of all respondents said they will vote for Sanders. George II Mar 2019 #21
New Hampshire is practically a home state for Sanders NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #23
It's a very very weak poll, subject to huge inaccuracy. For example: George II Mar 2019 #28
Lol Dem2 Mar 2019 #31
See post #24. George II Mar 2019 #25
NH and Vermont are a very close community. JDC Feb 2019 #14
Luv it!! jalan48 Feb 2019 #15
It is still early, but there is something significant to be gleened, with important impliations Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #20
To put this entire poll into perspective: George II Mar 2019 #24
TY :) BootinUp Mar 2019 #29
BOOOOM! MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #40
Biden's not acting like someone anxious to get in RandySF Mar 2019 #27
Has there been discussion regarding ranked voting for the D primaries? gristy Mar 2019 #39
 

irresistable

(989 posts)
1. It will be interesting to see if either Biden or O'Rourke get a bump if/when they announce.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:40 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
3. It will be interesting for sure
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:48 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. Well, since only 30 of the 604 people polled were decided, there's still 574 more to bump anyone.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:51 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. One early poll.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:44 PM
Feb 2019

Fortunately, California moved their primary to an earlier date.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Especially since 95% of the respondents haven't decided yet that's 19 of every 20 respondents!
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:57 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. Not representative of the US demographics.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:52 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Plus.............see #5 below.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:57 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. According to the pollster, only 5% have definitely decided who their candidate is....
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 10:54 PM
Feb 2019

....10% are leaning toward someone, and 85% are still trying to decide.

That means that 1.3% of those polled are for Sanders, 1.1% are for Biden - 97.6% are looking at someone else or haven't decided yet.

The devil is in the details. I wouldn't get too excited about this poll.

https://scholars.unh.edu/survey_center_polls/552/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. What a deceptive headline / conclusion...
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:08 PM
Feb 2019

... why would the pollster (news organization) do that? It's intellectually dishonest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
37. All of these preference and hypothetical matchup polls are meaningless.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:23 PM
Mar 2019

Yet every single day they get posted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
38. Indeed. Meaningless and fake. Meant to rally-the-troops...
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:29 PM
Mar 2019
All of these preference and hypothetical matchup polls are meaningless.
Indeed. Meaningless and fake. Meant to rally-the-troops, and to "demoralize the enemy". And with the level of contempt being hurled at Democrats and the Democratic party, it's clear who's being viewed as the "enemy".

Yet every single day they get posted.
Sad, isn't it? All I'm trying to say is that this type of dishonesty really serves no good purpose. It's deceptive and doesn't represent reality. It's just a twisted misrepresentation based on incomplete and flawed data.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

namahage

(1,157 posts)
18. Also interesting
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 06:04 AM
Mar 2019

Who would you not vote for under any circumstances?

When asked which candidate they would not support under any circumstances, half of likely Democratic voters (50%) say that they don't know or are unsure (35%) or that all of the candidates are acceptable to them (15%).
Thirteen percent of likely Democratic voters say they wouldn't under any circumstances vote for Warren, 8% wouldn't vote for Sanders, and 6% wouldn't vote for Bloomberg. Fewer likely voters say they wouldn't under any circumstances vote for Gillibrand (4%), Booker (3%), Harris (3%), Biden (3%), O'Rourke (2%), Gabbard (2%), Former Health and Human Services Secretary Julian Castro (1%), Buttigieg(1%), Klobuchar (1%), Hickenlooper (<1%), or Delaney(<1%). Four percent mention someone else they would not vote for under any circumstances.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. That means that almost five times as many respondents said they would not vote for Sanders....
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 10:41 AM
Mar 2019

...."under any circumstances" (6% no vs. 1.3% yes)

The bottom line is that this poll really doesn't tell us very much when 95% are still undecided.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BootinUp

(47,078 posts)
10. My guys the dark horse. :)
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:29 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Yes, but he's less than 1.5% behind the front runner!!!
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:32 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
12. BOOOOM!! But, but, Bernie has no chance and should withdraw for the good of the Democratic Party!!
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:33 PM
Feb 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
16. You know it!! The only one who can give Bernie a run for his money is Uncle Joe...
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 12:53 AM
Mar 2019

precisely cuz he's like everyone's favorite uncle and, so personable... but don't think he's gonna run.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. You do realize, right, that there are 49 other states? And that these polls are meaningless?
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 01:14 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

namahage

(1,157 posts)
19. Didn't you know?
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 06:06 AM
Mar 2019

As goes (93.9% white) New Hampshire, so goes the nation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
26. That does seem to be a popular opinion.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:31 AM
Mar 2019

Sanders supporters seem to think the race is over after NH. And they're right, just not in the way that they think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Here's the early schedule and the pledged delegates up for grabs - NH is worth only 24!:
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:56 PM
Mar 2019

(sorry for the format, and these are 2016 delegates, there probably will slight changes)

3-Feb IA 44
11-Feb NH 24
22-Feb NV 35

3-Mar AL 53
CA 475
MA 91
MN 77
NC 107
OK 38
TN 67
TX 222
VT 16
VA 95

That's a total of 1344, NH's 24 is only 1.7% of the delegates in the first month.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. You left off South Carolina.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

It'll be rough for Sanders after NH.

In terms of delegates, we'll be nearly 2/3rds of the way through after March 17. We may have our nominee at that point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
35. South Carolina hasn't formally announced their date yet. There are 10-15 who haven't.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 04:45 PM
Mar 2019

I agree, by March 17 we will have a pretty good idea who the candidate will be, or at least the top two or three. Hopefully many of the candidates will be realistic and drop out by then.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
36. All signs point to SC's Democratic Primary being February 29.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 04:57 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
30. Well, at least so goes 94.7% white Vermont, anyway.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:39 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. 1.3% of all respondents said they will vote for Sanders.
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 10:38 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
23. New Hampshire is practically a home state for Sanders
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 10:52 AM
Mar 2019

so, him getting 26% when he received over 60% there in the 2016 primaries is not a great sign for him.

Biden will get a bump if he officially announces, and O'Rourke will as well.

I'm the guy that posted that math says that Sanders has a shot at winning the nomination a month back or so. But, him getting 26% in what is almost a home state is not a great sign the week after he announces.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211736440

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. It's a very very weak poll, subject to huge inaccuracy. For example:
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:34 AM
Mar 2019

There were 604 people polled. The % in the OP are based on only 30 people who have decided. That's a statistically useless sampling. Further, of those 30, using the % in the OP, here are the number of people who have decided:

8 for Sanders
7 for Biden
3 for Harris
2 for Warren

10 for all the others.

Those are individual people, not %! So only one person in 604 is separating the top two, and only 6 people in 604 is separating the top four.

Can't see how anyone can get excited over this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
31. Lol
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 03:48 PM
Mar 2019

Early polls are usually pretty lame, but this is ludicrous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JDC

(10,114 posts)
14. NH and Vermont are a very close community.
Thu Feb 28, 2019, 11:43 PM
Feb 2019

not discounting the poll, just saying I was in VT a lot when I lived in NH and felt like I was in my home state often. Others feel that way also, so they might feel more ties to Bernie there than many other state.

All of New England is a tight community, but VT and NH really are sister states imo.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
20. It is still early, but there is something significant to be gleened, with important impliations
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 10:00 AM
Mar 2019

Regardless of Sanders currently being identified as an Independent, this poll and others show that he still retains broad support among millions of Democrats. That is not something I simply assumed would be the case before the race for the 2020 nomination took off for real. I thought it was true, but I wasn't sure to what degree his 2016 support was just based on those who wanted someone other than Clinton as our nominee.

Clearly some of his 2016 support came from those voters, but now Sanders has competitors like Warren and Harris and Biden and others who will draw liberal support. Even with that he is holding his own and remains among the top contenders for the nomination.

Bernie Sanders pretty much like every other leading Democrat has his flaws, and we all can differ on how we rank the relative flaws of different candidates in regards to how significant they are. But Sanders support runs deep among Democrats as a whole though it remains to be seen which potential candidates will emerge with the deepest support in the field. Bernie can not be dismissed as a fringe candidate among Democratic voters. Whoever wins the Democratic nomination will need the help of current Sanders supporters (regular voters) to win in in the 2020 general election.

I can't say that I've read more than a fraction of the threads in DU GP-Primaries, but from what I have read I am somewhat positively surprised. I was bracing myself for many to the exchanges in this forum to dive into the sewer, and for it being used as a blatant means to tear down candidates with vile innuendos. I've seen less of that than I expected, given what it has been like on DU for the last couple of years. I am encouraged by that. We have to conduct our debates now with the certainty that we must come together once we have our nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. To put this entire poll into perspective:
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:17 AM
Mar 2019

There were 604 respondents (almost half of whom are republicans). Only 30 have said they've made up their minds. If you do the math, EIGHT said they'll vote for Sanders, SEVEN said they'll vote for Biden. Sanders is ahead by ONE person.

It's a LANDSLIDE!!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(58,478 posts)
27. Biden's not acting like someone anxious to get in
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 11:32 AM
Mar 2019

and he shouldn’t unless he’s 100% committed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gristy

(10,667 posts)
39. Has there been discussion regarding ranked voting for the D primaries?
Fri Mar 1, 2019, 07:38 PM
Mar 2019

What is the key organization that would need to get behind this and help make it happen?
Trump never would have been nominated if the R's had used ranked voting.
And the best candidate would surely result if the D's used it next year.

https://www.fairvote.org/where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used
Using RCV now:
Basalt, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 and will be used when three or more candidates run for mayor.
Berkeley, California: Adopted in 2004 and has been used since 2010 to elect the mayor, city council and city auditor
Cambridge, Massachusetts: In use since the 1940s in multi-winner RCV form for the nine seat city council and six seat school board elected citywide
Carbondale, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayor when there are three or more candidates
Minneapolis, Minnesota: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2009, in elections for 22 city offices, including mayor and city council in single winner elections and some multi-winner park board seats
Oakland, California: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2010 for a total of 18 city offices, including mayor and city council
Portland, Maine: Adopted in 2010 and used since 2011 for electing mayor
Maine: Adopted in 2016 and first used in June 2018 for all state and federal primary elections
San Francisco, California: Adopted in 2002 and used since 2004 to elect the mayor, city attorney, Board of Supervisors and five additional citywide offices
San Leandro, California: Adopted as option in 2000 charter amendment and used since 2010 to elect the mayor and city council
Santa Fe, New Mexico: Adopted in 2008 and used since March 2018 for mayor, city council, and municipal judge
St. Paul, Minnesota: Adopted in 2009, used since 2011 to elect the mayor and city council
Takoma Park, Maryland: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2007 in all elections for mayor and city council
Telluride, Colorado: Adopted in 2008 and used since 2011 to elect the mayor when three candidates run, as in 2011 and 2015

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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