even when i objectively read the pro-gun comments - i don't see any logic

or sympathy. in fact, there's a lot snark and name calling - and then they use the typical gop talking points like 'liberals are anti-us - when did ever say anything negative about liberals'

I think we're just raising our number of posts and wasting time. there is no good faith discussion going on here. wtf - how can anyone possibly say 'guns don't kill people, people kill people' when the bullet discharged from the gun is what's killing the person. its certainly accurate to say 'people use guns to kill people'.