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rhett o rick
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May 9, 2014
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-upholds-prayer-public-meetings-n97221
Lets get this straight; Justice Kennedy says that the prayers are only ceremonial? I wonder what God thinks about that. And they should be allowed because they are traditional? Wasnt that an argument to support slavery? Oops, shouldn't say that too loudly, next the Court might strike down the 13th Amendment.
I counter the ceremonial and tradition argument with the slippery slope argument. Next thing you know the theists will be including God on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Seriously, if you allow non-proselytizing prayers, you will start to get more proselytizing prayers.
As I see it, praying out loud with head bowed and maybe hands together is proselytizing. In my opinion the words, "and thank Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior" or something similar, is Christian proselytizing and has no business at government meetings. It is certainly aimed at impressing someone other than God. I havent seen any evidence that God cares how you pray so why does it have to be demonstrative? If you want your particular god to bless the meeting, discuss it with him or her in the parking lot before you go into the meeting.
The bad thing about this is that it pressures others to conform to the will of the majority. Who wants to be the only one in the room that isnt praying? And what about other religions? Do they get to say their own prayers?
The Constitution is crystal clear in its meaning of, no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Having Christian prayers at the beginning of a government meeting qualifies as a test. You might as well ask public officials to raise their hand if they are not a Christian.
The religious Right-Wing has won another battle for "one nation under Christ".
Thanks Supremes - Down the Slippery Slope To a National Religion
The Supreme Court rules that government meetings can have an opening prayer. How can that not violate the Constitutional right of separation of Church and State?
Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, said the prayers are ceremonial and in keeping with the nation's traditions. "The inclusion of a brief, ceremonial prayer as part of a larger exercise in civic recognition suggests that its purpose and effect are to acknowledge religious leaders and the institutions they represent, rather than to exclude or coerce nonbelievers,"
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/supreme-court-upholds-prayer-public-meetings-n97221
Lets get this straight; Justice Kennedy says that the prayers are only ceremonial? I wonder what God thinks about that. And they should be allowed because they are traditional? Wasnt that an argument to support slavery? Oops, shouldn't say that too loudly, next the Court might strike down the 13th Amendment.
I counter the ceremonial and tradition argument with the slippery slope argument. Next thing you know the theists will be including God on our money and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Seriously, if you allow non-proselytizing prayers, you will start to get more proselytizing prayers.
As I see it, praying out loud with head bowed and maybe hands together is proselytizing. In my opinion the words, "and thank Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior" or something similar, is Christian proselytizing and has no business at government meetings. It is certainly aimed at impressing someone other than God. I havent seen any evidence that God cares how you pray so why does it have to be demonstrative? If you want your particular god to bless the meeting, discuss it with him or her in the parking lot before you go into the meeting.
The bad thing about this is that it pressures others to conform to the will of the majority. Who wants to be the only one in the room that isnt praying? And what about other religions? Do they get to say their own prayers?
The Constitution is crystal clear in its meaning of, no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. Having Christian prayers at the beginning of a government meeting qualifies as a test. You might as well ask public officials to raise their hand if they are not a Christian.
The religious Right-Wing has won another battle for "one nation under Christ".
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