Mc Mike
Mc Mike's JournalThanks, Octa.
Your posts and links are always worth viewing. And they keep a certain element occupied, as a added bonus. Off the streets and out of trouble, maybe?
It's funny that the mechanics of the site make it so hard to have a general discussion about a Democratic president's assassination -- in a virulently repug part of the country where schoolkids cheered when they heard about it -- as we approach the 50th anniversary of the assassination.
(Here, before anyone can start whinge-ing about the school kid thing, this was posted by DUer Mabus in '09, in response to redqueen's query on this site:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1129&dat=19631128&id=VEgNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YGwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6266,4365719
Note that it is not just the minister saying it, but also a teacher. The article is an AP article, in addition to Cronkite's CBS news coverage of 11/26. I had to wade through 2 yahoo pages of freeper, weekly standard, and newsbuster denials, before getting this hit. Among the hits were a lot of accusations that Dem schoolkids cheered when Reagan was shot, while decrying the Democratic 'smear' and 'libel' of claiming the repug kids actually cheered Kennedy's murder. Typical repug projection. And additionally, of course, the Reagan shooter's family was hooked into Bush.)
The vast majority of the American public doesn't buy the 'official story'. When reading the posts of people who say it was the 'lone nut' Oswald, I always try to put myself in their shoes, to try to figure out how they think, why they post like they do, what motivates them. This seems like what the Democrats do, in general, as opposed to what the caveman repug party and their ilk does.
The three possible categories I could figure them in are repug disruptor, people who perversely want an argument and function as useful idiots, and good Democrats who think that they are getting stigmatized by having 'conspiracy theorists' associated with 'their' Dem site. I don't believe the high-count long-term posting nay-sayers are repugs, or they would be gone by now. I don't hate the nay-saying post-ers, their derisive, repetitive postings just make me see red, and make me unfairly sometimes put them into the 'useful idiot' category. Probably they're good Dems who fall into the third category. I just wish they'd extend the same charitable interpretation to the good posters like Octa who consistently poke holes in the 'official story' with credible information.
The Warren Commission was put together by the people who killed Kennedy. Not LBJ, who was under the gun, too. His first statement as President was 'Now let's get this SOB off the ground', because he wanted to get out of that virulently dangerous area. Johnson said he didn't believe the WC, before he died.
RFK said while running for President 'I now fully realize that only the powers of the Presidency will reveal the secrets of my brother's death', two days before he was assassinated in L.A.. He told reporter Haynes Johnson (of the Washington Evening Star, and Washington Post), immediately after the assassination, that the CIA-mob anti-Castro assassins killed Kennedy. He told his '68 campaign aide Richard Lubic that he would re-open the case once he was elected and, a week before he died, went for several hours to check privately for info on a report of a phone call from Oxnard pre-warning about the assassination on the morning of 11/22. He didn't believe the WC, and Bugliosi's book 'Helter Skelter' covered up the murderous attack on the people in his L.A. campaign advisors' (Tate and Polanski's) home. There's no reason to believe Bugliosi's recent magnum opus about JFK's murder, in light of that fact.
Before Chappaquiddick, Ted had an anguished incident on an airplane where, having been drinking, he said 'They're going to shoot my ass off like they shot my brothers.' If they are able to murder the most politically powerful members of your family, it's safer for that family if you don't raise high-profile media storms by officially saying the murderers are still out there and in power, so he didn't. Chappaquiddick kept him from running, instead of a bullet, so after RFK's death, there would be no Kennedy running for president in the next election.
But for the next election, the Democrats put a member of JFK's 'Irish Mafia' kitchen cabinet (Larry O'Brien) in as head of the DNC. The repugs responded by having E. Howard Hunt (a CIA guy that worked with the right wing and mob's assassination program) and a gang of Miami Cuban 'real estate agents' burglarize the DNC's Watergate offices, to find out what the Dems were going to do about using the Kennedy assassinations against the repugs. Hunt's blackmailing of the Nixon repugs resulted in his wife's death in the Chicago plane crash, with $100,000 dollars of bribe money she was carrying splattering on the runway. That stupid hat Hunt was always photographed wearing during the Watergate scandal is the same stupid hat he was photographed wearing in Dealey Plaza, when he was rounded up in the train yard as a tramp. His 'favorite hat'. Just his way of blackmailing the repug Nixon administration, saying 'you really don't want me to talk, do you?' The bitter, forced out Nixon chief aide Haldeman said in his tell-all book that Nixon's continual taped references to 'the Mexican stuff' and 'the Bay of Pigs stuff', as reasons to shut down the Watergate investigations, were references to the JFK assassination.
The bottom line in this long post is this: I don't begrudge the nay-saying post-ers (the 'Oswald did it' adherents) their right to an opinion. I don't think they're repugs or 'useful idiots', they're honestly good Dems. But approaching the 50th anniversary of the assassination, some Kennedys are putting themselves on the line by questioning the 'official story', hoping like a lot of good researchers to get the true story, instead of the fallacious 'official story', which comes off like a Rube Goldberg contraption. They aren't convinced or comforted by the debunked WC, Bugliosi, or macadams (who was exposed as a 'pro' CIA disruptor). Constantly repeating the citation of these three 'sources' in any discussion of the murder of a good Democratic president just de-rails the discussion. Extend us the courtesy of believing we're good Dems, too, not nuts or part of some repug black psyop designed to discredit Dems. We're just like the vast majority of the American public, we don't buy the official story because it fails to explain what happened in so many ways.
And anyone who says 'the majority of the American public doesn't believe in global warming, either', is ignoring a key difference. The big money powerful oil companies have been expending beaucoup bucks pushing climate change denial in corporate media, which resulted in a big majority saying 'climate change was occurring' turning into a majority saying 'not sure man is causing climate change'. After 50 years, despite the same big money propagandists (with oil ties to the virulent bircher nazi repug Dallas Hunt family and Poppy bush's Standard Oil of New Jersey) spending tons of money and influence pushing the 'official story', the 'ignorant' public still doesn't buy it.
+1, Star.
It's a book about a book that was written by a book. (High Castle about Grasshopper, written by I Ching). Mr. D probably used the I Ching to write High Castle, to boot. (A book written by a book about a book written by a book.)
Imagining a world where the denizens imagine our world. Says the WWII 'Double V' aim of 'Victory against Fascism Abroad and Victory against Fascism at Home' was only partially realized in the first part, and 'far less achieved than is commonly believed' in the second part.
A novel that eloquently says American nazi power types are still pulling their nazi moves, and actual nazis are still exerting organized power. Really enjoyable to read, too, like most PKD books.
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