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calimary

(81,085 posts)
92. I know, and it drives me nuts!
Sun Jan 1, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jan 2012

I know the bad guys are in disarray at the moment but that won't last, and they'll settle on someone (probably romney) and link arms in solidarity. MAYBE they'll do it half-heartedly, especially if they still harbor some really hard feelings that THEIR choice had been better. I'm also hoping some real dingdong like ron paul or rick santorum will insist on shoving his ideology ahead of all logic and reason and intelligent, impartial, NON-agenda-driven long-range thinking, and will go rogue into a third party run. Wouldn't that be delicious? Then Obama could almost sleepwalk back into the White House.

I KNOW about the "herding cats" jokes. I KNOW about the Will Rogers witticism about the traditional and seeminly inbred disorganization of the Democrats.

"I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat." - Will Rogers (1879 – 1935), American cowboy, vaudeville performer, humorist, social commentator and motion picture actor. He was one of the world's best-known celebrities in the 1920s and 1930s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers

But dammit, it's time to put our Machiavelli hats on our heads and glue our eyes on the prize and remember this is about keeping the bad guys OUT of the White House. We need to keep it. The only way to do so is to support Barack Obama. Even if you have to hold your nose.

There. Is. No. One. With. A. Better. Shot.

I say this with all my heart and sincerity, and the greatest respect: those who decide it's more important to "send a message" by defecting to vote for some Green Party candidate or Independent candidate or even NO candidate will guarantee that the republi-CON gets in. You'll be sending a message alright - that you're purposefully handing victory over to the bad guys. The ones on the other side. I went to an anti-Iraq War rally in 2003 and met an earnest young woman who was working for the Green Party candidate for California governor. Democrat Gray Davis was governor and fucking darrell issa had helped bankroll a recall election against him, with eyes on becoming Davis's republi-CON opponent. That was the one in which Ahnold stepped in, announcing his plans to run for governor on Jay Leno's show, and eventually snatched the GOP nomination from issa, who held that embarrassing news conference in which he broke into blithering, boner-esque sobs.

Anyway, that young Green Party activist was there at the rally, handing out literature about her party's candidate for governor, Peter Camejo. Camejo didn't have a prayer, but he might well siphon off just enough votes to allow "the Terminator" to pull ahead. That, or render the outcome close enough for the republi-CONS to steal. I talked with her briefly, asking her if she wasn't risking the election for us by chipping off enough slivers of support to hobble the only candidate who's even partially favorable to our way of thinking who had a realistic chance of winning, and wind up handing the REAL enemy the election instead. And she replied "...but we Have to Send a Message!"

Good God.

Is it worth sending that message that will do nothing else but allow the OTHER guy to win? Seriously? 'Cause I guarantee you: that other guy won't give a rat's ass damn about what he regards as your stupid, irrelevant, unrealistic, and ridiculously foolish frickin' message.

Oh yeah, and one more thing. Camejo did stay in the race, and when every vote really mattered, guess who got recalled? Gray Davis. Leaving us with arnold schwarzenegger. That was fun. I kept imagining seeing that young Camejo supporter and asking her - "well, how's all that 'send a message' stuff workin' out for you? Happy now?"

Why not? eridani Dec 2011 #1
I think Cenk Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #2
Since when are facts a Right-wing ideology? RC Dec 2011 #6
The 'facts' being what? Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #17
lol got root Dec 2011 #45
and Jane Hampshire makes all of her money as a Republican Consultant Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #47
Do you watch or listen to Cenk on a regular basis? Cleita Jan 2012 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #10
Well, you would probably know Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #61
apparently not Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #64
I hear this kind of thing prefaced by 'I think' and it makes me want facts to back it up. I roguevalley Dec 2011 #29
The preface Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #31
I agree that we need to preface statements with "I think" if we're just stating our gateley Dec 2011 #73
Are the members of Occupy Iowa who came up with this idea also puppets? girl gone mad Dec 2011 #34
Well this is the first I've heard Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #37
It's right in his original piece.. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #39
I stand corrected Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #41
And mine of you. nt Snotcicles Dec 2011 #65
Great question. Actually Cenk was just reporting facts 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #42
Your attempt to besmirch Cenk as a "puppet ...spewing RW ideology" is laughable. 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #40
Here ya' go Tsiyu Dec 2011 #46
Wow thanks .. i'll bookmark it. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2011 #50
No problemo n/t Tsiyu Dec 2011 #51
Marking. Thanks. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #86
The icons will also work if you remember their codes and if you preface them with rusty fender Dec 2011 #55
That would be interesting if you had an example or two. rhett o rick Dec 2011 #58
Don't mind me. Just joining in the pile on that you apparently brought upon yourself Number23 Dec 2011 #76
Well ... Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #78
"Perhaps I haven't consumed enough Cenk kool-aide - which seems to be flowing freely here." Number23 Dec 2011 #79
Happy to make your acquaintance Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #80
I think Cenk is WRONG. Folks in Iowa need to caucus FOR President Obama and show support! n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #3
Yeah, I'd have to agree. calimary Dec 2011 #4
We are fracturing and fighting amongst ourselves. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #35
I know, and it drives me nuts! calimary Jan 2012 #92
The support would come in the convention DJ13 Dec 2011 #7
Any divisiveness shown in the media seen by the public is NOT a good thing Tx4obama Dec 2011 #9
What if..... DJ13 Dec 2011 #12
Ah but you forget - reality doesn't matter! hatrack Dec 2011 #27
"Showing support" means rubberstamping policy that is against the grain, at the least. TheKentuckian Dec 2011 #8
I'll be caucusing for Obama in Iowa next Tuesday. Pirate Smile Dec 2011 #13
Great to hear! :) n/t Tx4obama Dec 2011 #28
Good on you! Scurrilous Jan 2012 #87
Occupy iowa mdmc Dec 2011 #5
It's stupid because if you don't support Obama for those reasons than you can always vote 3rd party FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #11
I live in Iowa... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #14
Start with electing Congresspeople who share your vision. All politics is local. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #15
Until we can eliminate the big money from politics, there is no electing left candidates... rfranklin Dec 2011 #22
Yes, I would say that it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #26
After you vote for Paul in the caucus, and he loses next Tuesday, Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #18
I can't even imagine... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #23
Oh, that makes sense. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #30
If you think for a moment that a president Ron Paul would actually do a damned thing about Dewey Finn Dec 2011 #20
I have appreciated his foreign policy stance... CoffeeCat Dec 2011 #24
Oh sure, Ron Pauls libertarian anti-regulation pile of horseshit BootinUp Dec 2011 #32
Well said, woo me with science Dec 2011 #48
You sound like the centrists, telling people what their choices are. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2011 #66
But there ARE choices, including running for office yourself. FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #71
How does a show of disunity not hurt the candidate? Answer BootinUp Dec 2011 #16
What you are saying is that members of the party must always Step In Line. No internal democracy. Leopolds Ghost Dec 2011 #67
Not at all. I am applying it to a particular instance BootinUp Dec 2011 #70
It's ProSense Dec 2011 #21
So what would be a protest vote over NDAA ? proverbialwisdom Dec 2011 #52
Answer: Get the Military Vets involved in Occupy, you silly! Leopolds Ghost Dec 2011 #68
Cenk is a crybaby. jaxx Dec 2011 #25
K&R bahrbearian Dec 2011 #33
Totally Agree nt Raine Dec 2011 #36
i'm shocked that you'd support something to damage the president heading into an election... dionysus Dec 2011 #38
I don't get the freakout by some over this quinnox Dec 2011 #43
Dissent is unpatriotic a2liberal Dec 2011 #59
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2011 #60
Well said. nm rhett o rick Dec 2011 #75
Seems like a reasonable way to me sandyd921 Dec 2011 #44
voting for uncommitted in a caucus is the most sensible and rational alternative for progressives Douglas Carpenter Dec 2011 #49
+1 (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2011 #63
You won't stop Obama. You won't slow him down or change his course. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #53
Obama will stop himself Hawkowl Dec 2011 #69
Your wish will not be granted. Obama will be reelected. What will you do then? MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #81
I dont think telling a poster that he wont comprehend something rhett o rick Dec 2011 #74
The LAST thing I want is a Republican President. bvar22 Dec 2011 #54
It's ProSense Dec 2011 #62
Thanks, bvar22 Dec 2011 #72
I agree... with a correction. FredStembottom Dec 2011 #56
Obama 2008 quote: "You'll have to hold my feet to the fire." Bucky Dec 2011 #77
You didn't change a thing the man is doing. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #82
I endorse that idea. FredStembottom Jan 2012 #84
K&R (n/t) a2liberal Dec 2011 #57
What happens in the Democratic caucuses in Iowa MineralMan Jan 2012 #83
ok then. BootinUp Jan 2012 #88
Then what is the hubbub and gnashing if teeth about? Why the claims of calamity about a show of TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #89
K&R! 20score Jan 2012 #85
I'm not in Iowa so this doesn't apply to me but I have no problem with this. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #90
It would be best to get as many Democratic and left leaning voters involved in the process mmonk Jan 2012 #93
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