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139. Choosing the title FLOTUS erases the relationship she had with that foreign president as SOS

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #133)

Tue Apr 3, 2018, 07:01 PM

Apr 2018

I don't think you did it thinking, "Hmmm . . . which title would be least representative of her accomplishments." But when the implications of the choice you made were pointed out to you, instead of saying, "Oops. My bad. That's not what I meant - let me fix it." you dug your heels in.

You have indicated that you chose that because it was a White House setting (or because she was the wife of a former president in the presence of a current foreign president). Are you not aware that Clinton's relationship with that foreign president was as Secretary of State, not wife of Bill? Referring to her as the wife of a president ignores, as if it was unimportant, the international, diplomatic relationship she had as Secretary of State with that very same person.

It is not your intentions that anyone is questioning - or at least I'm not questioning your intentions. Heaven knows I'm sure I say insensitive things without realizing they are insensitive - but when someone who immediately recognizes it as insensitive points it out to me, I try to respond with a little humility to figure out what generated that reaction. Sometimes I even learn from it and don't make the same insensitive mistake the next time.

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That blithering idiot called the former FLOTUS Crooked Hillary in front of the Lithuanian president. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 OP

You got to be kidding. Wellstone ruled Apr 2018 #1

Nope... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #3

Yes, he's always in campaign mode PatSeg Apr 2018 #181

I. Have. No. Words. Ohiogal Apr 2018 #2

He consolidated his base long ago. I doubt his aberrant behavior will attract new devotees, DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author John Fante Apr 2018 #45

Our former Secretary of State - The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #4

He is showing his "crazy" to the whole world now. n/t ginnyinWI Apr 2018 #59

I doubt the Baltic lawmakers thought it was cool. But they want Trump to suppy riversedge Apr 2018 #141

In that case Timmygoat Apr 2018 #6

Y'mean Trampy Trump? C_U_L8R Apr 2018 #8

Hahaha! And her Chain Migration parents? flibbitygiblets Apr 2018 #80

And that's the NY Post, as in Rupert Murdoch's NY Post! George II Apr 2018 #134

gross ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #160

I was just starting college when Vanessa Williams had her crown taken away for photos The_REAL_Ecumenist Apr 2018 #162

Precedent has been set for future Presidents to ridicule Trump and apologize for his stupidity Freethinker65 Apr 2018 #7

I despise this pathological liar gademocrat7 Apr 2018 #9

The press hasn't mentioned it. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #10

I have lng held the view that the Clinton's should sue malaise Apr 2018 #11

I think you mean "the 2016 Democratic nominee". Or "former SecState". Or "former Senator from NY". Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #12

I like FLOTUS in this instance. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #13

Have fun with your sexism then. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #14

Did you just call me a sexist for using an honorarific? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #15

Nope, I just called you a sexist for erasing a woman's accomplishments. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #16

You can divine that from headers where there is a character limit of fifty or so characters. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #19

"SecState" is 2 more characters (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #20

Is this arrant pedantry Tuesday ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #22

If you don't want to be called out for sexism, don't say sexist things? Seems simple enough (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #24

I didn't say any sexist things. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #25

Referring to a woman accomplished in her own right as "Mrs Bill Clinton" is sexist Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #28

Now you are just making things up DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #29

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #35

Ad hominems. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #36

I'm not becoming apoplectic, I'm actually laughing at you. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #38

Now you are projecting. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #41

You're quite amusing. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #49

It seems I am not the one who has drawn negative attention to himself/herself, am I right ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #52

THis person critiquing you here is valid ONLY if we can find Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #84

Would you please elaborate ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #182

So whenever we mention Hillary Clinton Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #65

No, but if you are shortening her resume, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #122

Apparently so, some here have "jumped the shark." InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #155

lol what sexism ? stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #33

In the poster's febrile imagination. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #39

I would put that one on my Jury Blacklist ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #60

Wow.... fallout87 Apr 2018 #37

I was going to post the very same thought! Beartracks Apr 2018 #58

very effectively orangecrush Apr 2018 #91

Bingo. Disruption seems to have been accomplished. Wonder if it was the point? Hekate Apr 2018 #112

only the shadow knows! orangecrush Apr 2018 #173

Hillary Clinton can be called First Lady, Senator, or Secretary of State True Blue American Apr 2018 #95

Well, that escalated quickly... kmla Apr 2018 #53

Hillary has accomplished a lot, more than most people. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #57

I totally agree. kmla Apr 2018 #66

Trump is a monster. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #67

Melania has made it abundantly clear that being a John Fante Apr 2018 #73

First lady isn't particularly an achievement mythology Apr 2018 #120

The only qualification for being FLOTUS is being married to POTUS Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #121

Trump disrespected the wife of a former president in the presence of a current foreign president DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #133

Choosing the title FLOTUS erases the relationship she had with that foreign president as SOS Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #139

Well DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #140

"Have fun with your sexism then" What an absurd and revolting comment you have made. NBachers Apr 2018 #54

Let's talk about Trump. I need to vent DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #61

It was a WH event so I think it was a good choice BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #40

Back to my OP DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #42

We can only imagine what their treatment of a Dem would be in the same circumstances BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #44

Trump is just a bad guy. In another milieu he would have been a gangster, albeit a feckless one. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #56

Reading a book review here BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #69

Considering his ties to the Mafia and to Russian gangsters. . . . nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #103

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #161

He dissed Sec Clinton to THIS Lithuanian President??!! Wwcd Apr 2018 #17

Trump also implicitly asked President Grybauskaitė to pay homage to him DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #21

Pay homage to him!? How? On her knees? Wouldn't surprise me... Wwcd Apr 2018 #26

"Implicitly" DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #27

Aaaagh! Wait til Angela, Dalia & Hillary get together for lunch someday. Wwcd Apr 2018 #34

Add Erna Solberg, the Norwegian PM, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #104

Yes! Thanks for adding her name. Here's Erna's Twitter/FB Wwcd Apr 2018 #115

Got that right! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #178

Rump is a vile disgrace of the human race who would be stealing from working people full time Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #88

Hoping for Rump Roast soon... tavernier Apr 2018 #92

I disagree that the Nazi-in-Chief is part of the human race (haha)... otherwise, right on point! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #179

Mahalo, Wwcd, for posting this! Cha Apr 2018 #90

Hey Cha! I just googled her to find out who she is also Wwcd Apr 2018 #97

This is all on trump.. Cha Apr 2018 #105

I didn't even bother to watch. Had to go make a grocery store run. calimary Apr 2018 #109

Same here. I won't/can't look at him nor hear his voice either. Wwcd Apr 2018 #114

Exactly, calimary.. I don't have Cha Apr 2018 #116

He dirties up a good day in a split second. His voice..his face..his stupid red tie. Wwcd Apr 2018 #117

I know.. I have Cha Apr 2018 #119

His day of reckoning will come, Cha. What a glorious day it will be. Wwcd Apr 2018 #125

I know! the more viciously Cha Apr 2018 #126

We will most surely dance, my friend 👗🎵💄👠👜☺❤🌏 Wwcd Apr 2018 #167

It will happen.. so many wonderful, intelligent, Cha Apr 2018 #168

Thank you Wwcd. Ohiya Apr 2018 #170

Can't believe this crap lunasun Apr 2018 #18

What the hell does that even mean? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #108

I Found the Link in an Irish Newspaper Leith Apr 2018 #23

Only by orders of Putin does the Doturd speak to US Foreign Policy. Wwcd Apr 2018 #30

Trump doesn't know shit... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #96

He's a cardboard cutout, a stand in for President Putin Wwcd Apr 2018 #99

When he says this in public Runningdawg Apr 2018 #31

Except for Putin, Duterte, and Netanyahu.... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #46

DJTrdump Sr. daily must call list....5X a day... magicarpet Apr 2018 #76

Which is why I have said from the begining Runningdawg Apr 2018 #180

Orange Jesus is projecting. Lint Head Apr 2018 #32

He also called our media 'FAKE NEWS' in front of the the foreign press.... spanone Apr 2018 #43

Secretary Clinton, her most recent title should be used IronLionZion Apr 2018 #47

Probably so. Esp. if she developed her friendship w/Grybauskaite as Secretary. n/t Beartracks Apr 2018 #64

Thank you. True Blue American Apr 2018 #98

The guy is a classless moron who has no clue how reviled he is by other world leaders. Beacool Apr 2018 #48

wow Demovictory9 Apr 2018 #50

He just can't help fighting with women, especially those who have called him out on his deficiences Miigwech Apr 2018 #51

Strong women send fornicate face and those like him running screaming to defend the manly territory 47of74 Apr 2018 #71

So much truth there I can't even "LOL" it. Wwcd Apr 2018 #118

thank you 47of74 Apr 2018 #156

I've been a bit more enlightened tonight by your post Wwcd Apr 2018 #165

Spanky Pay-em-off sure has a lot of nerve Hekate Apr 2018 #55

Spanky Pay-em-off 47of74 Apr 2018 #72

I'm going to add "Mc" Ilsa Apr 2018 #78

Spanky McSpankov C_U_L8R Apr 2018 #85

Haaha..McSpankov-Irish/Russian word, From the english origin..Spank Off Wwcd Apr 2018 #102

Even better. nt Ilsa Apr 2018 #123

Trump University Skittles Apr 2018 #62

Stiffed contractors and small vendors DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #63

God, I hate him so much. (nt) Rainngirl Apr 2018 #68

I loathe him. I hate his supporters more. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #75

A sign of the times in which we live. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #70

There is only one way to deal with this shit jmowreader Apr 2018 #74

someone heaven05 Apr 2018 #77

Which post ? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #79

you were disrespecting heaven05 Apr 2018 #82

Wow. That post was alerted on ... OMG... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #83

lots heaven05 Apr 2018 #86

Do I have your permission to start a thread on this ? I won't name you, of course. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #87

of course heaven05 Apr 2018 #184

Wow! Anyone smell trolls? Wwcd Apr 2018 #106

So you think it is appropriate to refer to Clinton by a title that recognizes merely Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #129

She was referred to as Former First Lady of the United States Wwcd Apr 2018 #137

Frankly, there is more than one issue in this thread. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #144

I think the average here is about 50 +. Little girls prob don't read DU much Wwcd Apr 2018 #164

My daughter did from age 15-18 ish. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #175

Might want to check your gender bias. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #127

Trump insulted the wife of a former president in the presence of a foreign president. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #135

A foreign president with whom she had a relationship as Secretary of State Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #147

I see more people rallying to my defense as well as fifty eight recommendations and counting. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #148

what heaven05 Apr 2018 #183

Odd. A "blithering idiot" is probably the NICEST thing he's called around here. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2018 #130

That comparison is an insult to blithering idiots... what did they do to deserve that?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #157

They need to tighten up their requirements for admission, for one. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2018 #174

Okay, that was funny! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #177

Start a war, punk, go ahead Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #81

Article 25 time orangecrush Apr 2018 #89

No decorum. 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #93

Be careful DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #94

I saw the above posts regarding you being alerted on. 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #100

That is the most unbelievable thing that happened to me in my fifteen years here. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #101

I think I have only had one post removed by a jury. 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #111

Who the hell would alert on that? NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #110

People who believe that Clinton should be referred to by titles Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #131

Hmmm DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #138

Unlike Clinton, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #142

In the context I was discussing my use of the honorific was correct. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #143

Clinton's relationship with the President of Lithuania was as Secretary of State, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #145

If Michelle Obama had Hillary Clinton's DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #146

When Clinton's relationship with the foreign president is as Secretary of State, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #150

I resent your attacks on my character and intend to defend myself vigorously. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #151

You might want to check with a lawyer about the elements of libel. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #158

I will politely decline your counsel DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #159

You know, there was a way to disagree with the OP's categorization NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #163

Thank you. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #166

Of course, he did because . . . peggysue2 Apr 2018 #107

You are speaking of that brilliant woman, right? raven mad Apr 2018 #113

K & R Wwcd Apr 2018 #124

I can't even...I have no words. lunamagica Apr 2018 #128

45 needs to be "25th-ed" ASAP. He poses an immediate threat to America and the world. VOX Apr 2018 #132

I've come to expect outrageous behavior from the orange jackass. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2018 #136

Remember, the Cambridge Analytica/Russians came up with that phrase for him to use. Tatiana Apr 2018 #149

Right! Dumbshite has been programmed to call Cha Apr 2018 #169

Yes, thank goodness Wiley blew the whistle (and for the British press). Tatiana Apr 2018 #171

Mahalo for that link, Tatiana.. Yes and the British Press! Cha Apr 2018 #176

How presidential... not!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #152

blithering idiot pamdb Apr 2018 #153

I'd be more surprised if he started behaving like a rational human being MustLoveBeagles Apr 2018 #154

God he is such a fucking asshole! Initech Apr 2018 #172