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In reply to the discussion: Where Free Speech Goes to Die: The Workplace [View all]appal_jack
(3,813 posts)19. Reading Is Fundamental, my friend
Last edited Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)
Nice straw man you are attacking there, about consequence-free speech, but no one brought that up before you did. In fact, the article linked in the OP already distinguished how the government is more constrained from retaliatory action than is private business:
Bosses and those who work under them are not equal when it comes to free-speech legal claims. Employers have the right to take action against any employee who engages in political speech that company leaders find offensive. With a few narrow exceptions the Constitution and the federal laws derived from it only protect a persons right to expression from government interference, not from the restrictions a private employer may impose, lawyers say.
However, my own response #8 and subsequent discussion both attempt to illuminate the role that government plays in chartering and sustaining corporations. With that government support comes a corporate obligation to balance the free speech rights of employees with the desires of owners and capital. You need some more examples? OK, since 2008, most large banks only continue to exist thanks to the US taxpayer. All our defense corporations, from McDonnell Douglas to Lockheed Martin, etc. all feed from the 57% of Federal revenue presently devoted to the military.
I am not calling for 'consequence-free speech.' As far as I am concerned, a sole-proprietor business owner who does not take public funds in any form can be as dictatorial as he likes about speech in his workplace. But most businesses these days are corporate, thanks to the very real benefits granted by government to corporations. And all my life corporations, those artificial constructs with state charters granting them limited-liability, have been socializing risks and privatizing ever more of the public sphere and their own profits.
I am saying that with a state charter, with public funds, and other social support that corporations receive, comes some responsibility to honor the spirit of the 1st Amendment. A more proper balance needs to be achieved, one that acknowledges that corporations receive considerable support from the state, as they hire citizens. The idea that owners and investors can buy media and make donations as 1st-Amendment protected free speech, while workers can be fired at will for any controversial views is a recipe for 1%-er totalitarianism. You may be comfortable in such a world, but this Democrat is not.
-app
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Was Adam Smith fired for exercising his 1st Amendment rights or for being an asshole?
Gidney N Cloyd
Aug 2012
#2
He didn't have the right to verbally attack the employee who was working the drive through
dflprincess
Aug 2012
#26
I guess it depends if you are on your own time or purporting to be the company
loli phabay
Aug 2012
#3
i was refering to a more general situation of watching what you say and not to the specific individu
leftyohiolib
Aug 2012
#21
Employers can regulate what you say off-hours by firing people for having opinions online.
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#10
A sensible opinion, until you are faced only with job opportunities with bigoted companies.
Robb
Aug 2012
#11
So should an employer need a warrant to monitor customer service agent's phone calls?
tritsofme
Aug 2012
#23
Bullshit. You have just as much right to FREE SPEECH at work as anywhere else. The problem is
CBGLuthier
Aug 2012
#15