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appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
19. Reading Is Fundamental, my friend
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:41 AM
Aug 2012

Last edited Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)

Nice straw man you are attacking there, about consequence-free speech, but no one brought that up before you did. In fact, the article linked in the OP already distinguished how the government is more constrained from retaliatory action than is private business:


Bosses and those who work under them are not equal when it comes to free-speech legal claims. Employers have the right to take action against any employee who engages in political speech that company leaders find offensive. With a few narrow exceptions the Constitution and the federal laws derived from it only protect a person’s right to expression from government interference, not from the restrictions a private employer may impose, lawyers say.


However, my own response #8 and subsequent discussion both attempt to illuminate the role that government plays in chartering and sustaining corporations. With that government support comes a corporate obligation to balance the free speech rights of employees with the desires of owners and capital. You need some more examples? OK, since 2008, most large banks only continue to exist thanks to the US taxpayer. All our defense corporations, from McDonnell Douglas to Lockheed Martin, etc. all feed from the 57% of Federal revenue presently devoted to the military.

I am not calling for 'consequence-free speech.' As far as I am concerned, a sole-proprietor business owner who does not take public funds in any form can be as dictatorial as he likes about speech in his workplace. But most businesses these days are corporate, thanks to the very real benefits granted by government to corporations. And all my life corporations, those artificial constructs with state charters granting them limited-liability, have been socializing risks and privatizing ever more of the public sphere and their own profits.

I am saying that with a state charter, with public funds, and other social support that corporations receive, comes some responsibility to honor the spirit of the 1st Amendment. A more proper balance needs to be achieved, one that acknowledges that corporations receive considerable support from the state, as they hire citizens. The idea that owners and investors can buy media and make donations as 1st-Amendment protected free speech, while workers can be fired at will for any controversial views is a recipe for 1%-er totalitarianism. You may be comfortable in such a world, but this Democrat is not.

-app
Run government like a business 90-percent Aug 2012 #1
Was Adam Smith fired for exercising his 1st Amendment rights or for being an asshole? Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2012 #2
He was fired for being an asshole twizzler Aug 2012 #4
Assholes don't have rights? slampoet Aug 2012 #12
He didn't have the right to verbally attack the employee who was working the drive through dflprincess Aug 2012 #26
Verbal attack, is that a legal term or are you making up rights? slampoet Aug 2012 #28
I guess it depends if you are on your own time or purporting to be the company loli phabay Aug 2012 #3
He was purportedly on his lunch time twizzler Aug 2012 #5
when so much is riding on your job, you job should be better protected leftyohiolib Aug 2012 #6
Sorry, but I'm not aware... MattSh Aug 2012 #14
i was refering to a more general situation of watching what you say and not to the specific individu leftyohiolib Aug 2012 #21
And this may be THE most compelling reason for an online pseudonym! . .n/t annabanana Aug 2012 #7
The Bill of Rights needs to accompany us into the workplace... appal_jack Aug 2012 #8
Your relationship with the corporation is at will and voluntary tritsofme Aug 2012 #9
Employers can regulate what you say off-hours by firing people for having opinions online. Zalatix Aug 2012 #10
A sensible opinion, until you are faced only with job opportunities with bigoted companies. Robb Aug 2012 #11
Must be nice in La La Land... appal_jack Aug 2012 #13
So should an employer need a warrant to monitor customer service agent's phone calls? tritsofme Aug 2012 #23
Looking for balance here... appal_jack Aug 2012 #25
Bullshit. You have just as much right to FREE SPEECH at work as anywhere else. The problem is CBGLuthier Aug 2012 #15
Reading Is Fundamental, my friend appal_jack Aug 2012 #19
A corporation is a little totalitarian state. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #16
Too true, at present. appal_jack Aug 2012 #22
I couldn't be more happy about no free speech in the work place. cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #17
Does the same hold true at DU? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #18
I don't think that accepting the consequences of free speech... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #20
Huh. That's the same place Democracy goes to die. Octafish Aug 2012 #24
Hey, you can say whatever you like at work mindwalker_i Aug 2012 #27
Probably off topic. Reminded me of one of my first bosses. Trillo Aug 2012 #29
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