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marble falls

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Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:07 AM Sep 2018

Putting Serena Williams into perspective ... [View all]

https://www.fastcompany.com/90234350/was-serena-williams-treated-fairly-ask-these-tennis-bad-boys-who-did-much-worse

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Would a male player have been treated the same way? Not likely. The Women’s Tennis Association and the U.S. Tennis Association both released statements supporting Williams. (The Guardian notes that while Ramos is a stickler for rules, he has “never penalized a player a game in such a high-stakes match” before.) WTA president Steve Simon noted the “difference in the standards of tolerance provided to the emotions expressed by men versus women” and USTA president Katrina Adams called out the “double standard” in treatment in an interview with ESPN. “I know what Serena did and her behavior was not welcome,” she said. “It’s a judgment call to give that last penalty because she called him a thief. They’ve been called a lot more.”

Adams’s comment speaks to a culture in which women who act out are punished while men are written off as “bad boys” who are just doing what boys do. There is plenty to back up her claim: Male tennis pros James Blake and Andy Roddick both admitted on Twitter to having said far worse to umpires and having no real repercussions. In the interest of keeping the discussion alive, we rounded up a few more examples here:


Novak Djokovic got into an argument with the same umpire, Ramos, at the French Open, and called him “crap”. While he received multiple warnings, he did not have any points or games docked.

Rafael Nadal threatened Ramos at the 2017 French Open. He got two verbal warnings, but did not have a point or game docked.

Andre Agassi got a warning for an audible obscenity at the U.S. Open and then called the umpire a “son of a bitch.” Play went on.

Marcos Baghdatis smashed four rackets during the 2012 Australian Open, but didn’t lose a point or a game. He did have to pay a $1,250 fine.

Nick Kyrgios got in a yelling match with Ramos at the 2018 Australian Open, but no code violations were issued.

Andy Murray got a code violation for allegedly calling the same umpire, Ramos, “stupid” at the Rio Olympics. Murray claims he called the umpiring stupid.

Novak Djokovic screamed at Ramos during the 2018 Wimbledon tournament, threw his racket, and even pretended to throw the ball at the umpire, but never lost a point or a game.

Andy Murray kicked a ball at an umpire’s head during a 2016 match, but did not get a code or point penalty.


To be fair, it’s not just men: Coco Vanderweghe was issued several warnings and a code violation for yelling at the umpire because there were no bananas on the court, and then calling her opponent a “fucking bitch.” She did not lose points or a game.
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Good read malaise Sep 2018 #1
Depends on the ref, the venue, and even the stadium and country... TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #2
evidence is in the OP Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #5
I was just saying to my wife last night True Dough Sep 2018 #21
We both agree that Serena and McEnroe aren't in the same league comportment .... marble falls Sep 2018 #6
Didn't really say or mean we could-- just that Mac was maybe a little slicker about... TreasonousBastard Sep 2018 #13
It isn't just one blow up OnlinePoker Sep 2018 #18
Is that the one where she tells the Asian female line judge Orangeutan Sep 2018 #23
Yes, that is the one Perseus Sep 2018 #26
Possibly 'roid-induced rage. Orangeutan Sep 2018 #30
She's one of the most-tested players in tennis. Codeine Sep 2018 #33
Welcome to DU, btw wellst0nev0ter Sep 2018 #39
"time wasting" treestar Sep 2018 #27
If Ramos has a history, where's the accountability? djacq Sep 2018 #3
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #9
Dont look for it in some places, cant say where, but should be self evident Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #36
a good, instructive heaven05 Sep 2018 #4
K&R JHan Sep 2018 #7
Watch Baghdatis break 4 racquets, note the indulgent smile of the chair ump at the end: Demit Sep 2018 #8
Thanks for sharing. I'll share this on FB. Nitram Sep 2018 #10
Ramos seems to have a real problem judging Serena Williams. marble falls Sep 2018 #11
So sick of hearing about this... infullview Sep 2018 #12
Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #14
never said I didn't care - just sick of being bombarded with the same story over and over agian infullview Sep 2018 #19
K&R - yes "we" really do need this examined. AnotherMother4Peace Sep 2018 #15
And yet here you are clicking on it and spending time thinking out a response. nt Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #38
K&R geardaddy Sep 2018 #16
Thank you for posting this. Reader Rabbit Sep 2018 #17
K&R... spanone Sep 2018 #20
I wonder if Ms Williams would get more respect if she weren't always called "Serena" Glorfindel Sep 2018 #22
Nonsense ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #24
I figured Hillary did that on her own treestar Sep 2018 #28
I'm sure you're correct, of course. Glorfindel Sep 2018 #29
I can accept that in her case Codeine Sep 2018 #34
The rules need to be implemented on all levels equally Perseus Sep 2018 #25
Here's A Good Read About This Me. Sep 2018 #31
Why can't it be a race thing? Or a Serena thing? Rather than a gender thing... elias7 Sep 2018 #32
Plus it was absolute bs to say she never gets coaching. cwydro Sep 2018 #35
She is a role model to all kinds of players MichMan Sep 2018 #37
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