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188. His age and gender are not the issue, Bettie, and "vitriol" is not being spewed her way by us...

Sun Nov 18, 2018, 06:57 PM

Nov 2018

If she continues on this track and encourages the ignorant to primary Democrats, we could lose the House in 2 years and she will be in a world of hurt. She needs to master her new job, and learn that Congress isn't an activist rally, it's the place where laws are made.

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Ocasio-Cortez backs campaign to primary fellow Democrats [View all] DonViejo Nov 2018 OP

Yes and no manor321 Nov 2018 #1

Wel, they CLAIM they won't do what you want. Hortensis Nov 2018 #15

We can start with the 16 DINOs that signed the anti-Pelosi letter, Dems internal shit-stirrers. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #245

How to Win Friends and Influence People dalton99a Nov 2018 #2

STOP USING RW SOURCES TO TELL US WHAT WE THINK. THEY WANT US TO FIGHT. bitterross Nov 2018 #87

From the article upon which it appears The Hill's article is based: George II Nov 2018 #92

Why are you addressing that to dalton? Cha Nov 2018 #148

Because it was the best way to get it at the top of the thread. /nt bitterross Nov 2018 #171

The OP is quoting AOC.. too bad you don't like it. Cha Nov 2018 #174

Too bad we spend so much time fighting one another and not the GOP. bitterross Nov 2018 #197

Yeah, too bad she's talking about primarying Dems and Cha Nov 2018 #202

How would you recommend a Democrat primary a Republican?? disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #241

Campaign Against Fascist Fucks.. Cha Nov 2018 #243

More like AOC has a lot to teach... love her! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #252

Is that why her district sent her to congress? oasis Nov 2018 #3

According to Roll Call, 5% of her district voted Hortensis Nov 2018 #19

I thought Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia was quite a firebrand. Her oasis Nov 2018 #27

:) Yes. A strong personality. Hortensis Nov 2018 #82

She needs to stop the national spotlighting and focus on her OWN district. Or they'll toss her. LBM20 Nov 2018 #64

:) Yes. Can she is what we're waiting to see, of course. Hortensis Nov 2018 #85

It was to send a message... the real question is whether it's been received. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #253

. Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #4

As I said before, she is in for a rude awakening. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #5

To me, she behaves like she's serving on the Student Governance Board of some college. DonViejo Nov 2018 #7

She isn't going to do her job for her district -- she thinks that THIS is her job despite the scanty elfin Nov 2018 #29

No. She's y9ung and naive. GoCubsGo Nov 2018 #37

Exactly. The default position is always running against other R B Garr Nov 2018 #120

I have no doubt that AOC will be primaried in 2020 Gothmog Nov 2018 #109

Yep, seems she thinks she's immune to being primaried herself. brush Nov 2018 #162

Primaries work both ways Gothmog Nov 2018 #222

I agree and her district will expect her to work on their behalf...not sure getting involved with Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #192

Did anybody she endorsed and campaigned octoberlib Nov 2018 #6

There were some. Kaleva Nov 2018 #11

Not to seem critical of Tlaib, she's going to be a great Representative and do her district proud George II Nov 2018 #49

Rashida Tlaib won a squeaker in the primary and AOC's prior endorsement may have helped Kaleva Nov 2018 #90

I really don't think AOC made a bleep in the local radar... Basement Beat Nov 2018 #117

And Ayanna Pressley (D-MA). Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #167

And Ilhan Omar (D-MN). Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #172

October, if she wants money out of politics, she really Hortensis Nov 2018 #23

"Or is she doomed to be a lifelong dissident like Sanders?" Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #28

Agree, she may disappear into another career as most do. BUT, Hortensis Nov 2018 #46

Not in the House with their 2-year terms. She could be out before she learns the ropes. brush Nov 2018 #165

I don't know about candidates that she endorsed personally, but her organization... George II Nov 2018 #53

Well, that says a lot. Hopefully the Dems will move on without her if she doesn't come around Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #86

Justice Democrats is backed by that cenk character on TYT Gothmog Nov 2018 #111

She campaigned agaisnt Sharice Davids and lost badly Gothmog Nov 2018 #110

And Christine Whitmer and Lacy Clay in their primaries, too. All three won their primaries... George II Nov 2018 #132

These were very poor choices on the part of AOC Gothmog Nov 2018 #135

Hi George.. Cha Nov 2018 #152

That act alone bothered me quite a bit. nini Nov 2018 #144

Sharice Davids looks like she will be a star in the new Congress Gothmog Nov 2018 #225

AOC campaigned against Sharice Davids, Gretchen Cha Nov 2018 #186

United has to fall or we will lose the house again...you need money to run. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #198

Meanwhile, our caucus plans public financing of elections. Hortensis Nov 2018 #8

Exactly. But you know we're gonna get people defending this shit. JHan Nov 2018 #14

Yes! That was the end of my support for her Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #88

stunt is a curious term Celerity Nov 2018 #145

But I am not arguing that Welder should not have run. JHan Nov 2018 #153

I can point to 4 positions on big issues where they differed (Welder and Davids) Celerity Nov 2018 #194

Once more there's nothing wrong with a policy disagreement... JHan Nov 2018 #208

Discussion/disagreement worth reading. Thanks, Hortensis Nov 2018 #239

Sharice Davids' primary was among six candidates. She actually got 10% more voted than George II Nov 2018 #181

I think she will be a good Rep too, but please, the 10% above number is entirely Celerity Nov 2018 #203

Mahalo, Hortensis! Cha Nov 2018 #235

So she is going to start making enemies five minutes after getting there? Does she not realize she RelativelyJones Nov 2018 #9

She needs to spend more time learning her job and less time threatening others Siwsan Nov 2018 #10

So your arguement is that we shouldn't have primaries? Kaleva Nov 2018 #12

No - that's not what I mean Siwsan Nov 2018 #13

People in other states and districts can determine for themselves who they want to represent them, still_one Nov 2018 #18

And I was just expressing my view, in general Siwsan Nov 2018 #25

My comment didn't disagree with your point of view still_one Nov 2018 #34

I realized that, after I posted!! Sorry!!! Siwsan Nov 2018 #35

Nothing to apologize for. There are going to be disagreements in discussions here, and that is a still_one Nov 2018 #47

We most definitely think alike Siwsan Nov 2018 #60

Who determines who is ineffectual? Nanjeanne Nov 2018 #102

I'm confused as to why this is an "argument". Siwsan Nov 2018 #108

"Argument"? Did someone say you couldn't have an opinion? I just gave mine as to why I think Nanjeanne Nov 2018 #112

We might just be miscommunicating Siwsan Nov 2018 #119

AOC is young and inexperienced. But she has passion and brains and she is going to be a wonderful Nanjeanne Nov 2018 #146

I am hoping she proves to be as you say Siwsan Nov 2018 #150

The danger in that is giving up the advantages of incumbency... brush Nov 2018 #16

It's November 2018. The next round of primary campaigns will begin in the spring of 2020.... George II Nov 2018 #134

First on the list is to primary any Democrat who makes it a priority to primary grantcart Nov 2018 #157

Let go ego AO meluvrem Nov 2018 #21

I wonder what her committee assignment will be? Gothmog Nov 2018 #113

That will be interesting Siwsan Nov 2018 #122

Of course this is from The Hill trying to stir up sh*t between Democrats. As far as representative still_one Nov 2018 #17

So, throwing her weight behind this movement is not to be reported upon and discussed? DonViejo Nov 2018 #20

Where did I say anything against NOT posting this OP? My comment was directed at The Hill, which still_one Nov 2018 #40

Sorry if you don't like it but, that's the the implication of your whining about The Hill. DonViejo Nov 2018 #48

I am stating my view about The Hill Don. Sorry that you are taking this personally. I feel the still_one Nov 2018 #63

Hopefully AOC realizes that she too will be an incumbent during the next midterm primary elections. lapucelle Nov 2018 #41

I have no doubt she will be primaried...careful what you wish for... Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #76

She needs to be careful. kstewart33 Nov 2018 #149

If I remember correctly.... DFW Nov 2018 #22

*sigh* ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #24

I'd call this democracy in action. shanny Nov 2018 #26

What's even better is running against repug incumbents. Duh! brush Nov 2018 #183

"Democrats deemed to be ideologically and demographically out of step with their districts." Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #30

again, why is she the arbiter of what that is? She has her district to contend with, JHan Nov 2018 #32

She has her opinions, that doesn't make her the arbiter Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #39

is Bill Clinton the subject here? We're talking about Cortez. JHan Nov 2018 #42

The subject is trying to move the Democratic Party in one direction or another Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #44

so it is acceptable for a freshman to congress to make primary threats... JHan Nov 2018 #50

Clay and Davis didn't support Bernie in 2016, their comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #68

Thank you for pointing out the absurd double standard here. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #89

+1. Skewed infighting is a popular sport. JudyM Nov 2018 #96

Are other Democrats proposing to actively unseat Democratic incumbants outside their districts? Small-Axe Nov 2018 #99

Your choice of words is amusing and instructive. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #163

I'm pretty sure we do not agree on the meaning of the term "progressive." Small-Axe Nov 2018 #175

You have completely misunderstood my post. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #178

I doubt we agree on who is conservative, liberal, or progressive. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #187

You've added another revealing phrase Jim Lane Nov 2018 #236

Oooh, "revealing phrases." Oh my. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #237

The Democratic Party is different in the midwest or southwest than it is in the northeast... George II Nov 2018 #158

I pretty much agree with you Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #166

According to Saikat Chakrabart, co-founder of Justice Democrats and Cortez' co-board member.... George II Nov 2018 #185

That's no reason to fear primaries. Jim Lane Nov 2018 #170

Meanwhile it just drives up the costs and empties the coffers of incumbent Democrats... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #213

Bill was a successful governor, his DLC activism radius777 Nov 2018 #124

Thanks radius I was going to mention that but the convo isn't about him and you're right. JHan Nov 2018 #238

All senators and congresspeople represent their districts. So pwb Nov 2018 #100

No that is not what I said. JHan Nov 2018 #101

If they are paid for by big energy or pharmaceutical money why not speak up against them? pwb Nov 2018 #103

Let's get some things out of the way because the spin y'all are coming with is lol worthy. JHan Nov 2018 #104

She won by taking no corporate money. pwb Nov 2018 #105

Yes, the DNC fossil reversal rule .. JHan Nov 2018 #106

We got the blue wave because we fielded moderates who could win red-leaning districts. LBM20 Nov 2018 #57

She is right. Anyone that ignores our core principles and sit in the pocket of big money is not on Blue_true Nov 2018 #31

Which Democrats "sit in the pocket of big money" and "ignore the party's core principles"? N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #36

Exactly, lapucelle. Who's she accusing? Cha Nov 2018 #201

Mahalo Cha! Enjoy Pink Floyd as you await the apocryphal list of "suspect Democrats". lapucelle Nov 2018 #207

I despise Cent and his Justice group...ticket to the minority...aren't these folks tired yet of Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #78

I also do not like Cenk and the Justice Democrats Gothmog Nov 2018 #114

She was involved in primarying a sitting senator in Maryland I believe... she might face Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #191

,,, lapucelle Nov 2018 #136

Does that include primarying the Democratic incumbent from NY-14 in 2020? N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #33

Justice Democrats are the Tea Party of the left comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #38

"Ocasio-Cortez backs campaign to primary people like herself" lapucelle Nov 2018 #43

well that's the irony. No one yet has spun this in a way which makes any damn sense JHan Nov 2018 #58

It's going to be a long two years with The Hill stoking their nonsense. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #67

And Joseph Crowley will STILL the the Queens County Democratic Party Chairman. George II Nov 2018 #142

Good, championing moving to the left will balance those who would drag us to the right. Magoo48 Nov 2018 #45

No one is dragging us to the right.We must be the party of MIDDLE America too because LBM20 Nov 2018 #62

Yes, Magoo48 Nov 2018 #249

Who is "dragging us to the right?" (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #242

Crickets... ehrnst Nov 2018 #244

Sorry, had to attend to business. Magoo48 Nov 2018 #248

"I'm not going to list their names, because they're easily accessible." betsuni Nov 2018 #255

Still can't or won't give the names of those you claim are "dragging us to the right." ehrnst Nov 2018 #256

OK, I'll play your game. I googled the most progressive house members and their donors ehrnst Nov 2018 #257

My contention remains Magoo48 Nov 2018 #259

But you still can't back up your claim about Dems "dragging us to the right" ehrnst Nov 2018 #261

Talking points: betsuni Nov 2018 #246

Come on Alexandria. Don't go Tea Party on us. Norbert Nov 2018 #51

Cortez needs to learn the ropes and focus on the needs of her own district. LBM20 Nov 2018 #52

I'd rather see this kind of energy and effort spent trying to DEFEAT REPUBLICANS instead. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #54

I Must Confess I'm Worn Out With Her Already Me. Nov 2018 #65

That's exactly the idea. Can't understand why that is so efn hard for some to grasp. brush Nov 2018 #195

she energizes young people and that's important AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #55

She needs to focus on her OWN district or they may well toss her out in two years. LBM20 Nov 2018 #59

Maybe if she energized young people to oppose Republicans comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #69

I see no evidence of that. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #81

She's right about this. I'm sure there will be push back from powerful, monied interests. jalan48 Nov 2018 #56

Moderates largely fueled the blue wave winning seats held by Republicans. She needs to focus on her LBM20 Nov 2018 #61

+1 octoberlib Nov 2018 #118

Not really. The republicans are loving thjs nini Nov 2018 #70

Fox 5 at 5 said they are loving this. Love it so much they called it 'REPUBLICAN PORN'! empedocles Nov 2018 #77

Yep... makes me crazy nini Nov 2018 #79

What does wanting to get big money out of our elections have to do with dividing from within? jalan48 Nov 2018 #80

It's not quite that simple nini Nov 2018 #93

You could be right. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next two years. jalan48 Nov 2018 #94

Here's where her money came from. lapucelle Nov 2018 #206

It has nothing to do with "monied interests". George II Nov 2018 #160

Right-that's believable. jalan48 Nov 2018 #231

Thanks. Glad you agree.... George II Nov 2018 #234

Any member who is still on the fence about climate change ought to be considered for replacement eleny Nov 2018 #66

The last thing we need is a Democratic liberal tea party wing YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #71

Surely she understands treestar Nov 2018 #72

Good. By the way that's how she got elected. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #73

Better to swap-in Democrats for Republicans (instead of Democrat for Democrat)... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #74

Er no it makes a party a democratic institution Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #131

... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #140

For example, Ocasio-Cortez's primary campaign. Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #229

%%%%% NurseJackie Nov 2018 #230

The tea party of the democratic party. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #75

STOP USING RW SOURCES TO TELL US WHAT WE THINK. THEY WANT US TO FIGHT. bitterross Nov 2018 #83

Unafraid Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #84

The link is to a different article. George II Nov 2018 #91

That it does--it's a Politco article ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #95

Thank God that didn't work in West Virginia Polybius Nov 2018 #97

And the primary is exactly where we should be having these fights. In fact, I've seen posters JCanete Nov 2018 #98

it isn't the spirited primary or discussion that is the problem, it is after the primary those still_one Nov 2018 #107

Joe Manchin WAS in a "spirited primary", he wound up winning 69.9% to 30.1%. He was chosen.... George II Nov 2018 #164

no...its big money. You know that too. And there were enough voices here at the time suggesting JCanete Nov 2018 #173

Please stop that "you know that" stuff, it's not true and is offensive. Thanks! George II Nov 2018 #182

you don't know that? I thought suggesting that would be more offensive. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #184

"Big money" didn't win his primary or his general election. People like to think that.... George II Nov 2018 #189

do you know who his donors are? Big Money puts you on the map and easily buries your potential JCanete Nov 2018 #190

Also, we have issues iwth those things because they literally buy our government. Please for the JCanete Nov 2018 #193

Does anyone want to predict her committee assignment? Gothmog Nov 2018 #115

AOC, Cenk and others on the populist left radius777 Nov 2018 #116

If you want to know why the rich keep getting richer JonLP24 Nov 2018 #121

No. California is as liberal as it gets and those vapid talking R B Garr Nov 2018 #123

No I'm not implying many of them are corrupt JonLP24 Nov 2018 #129

I'm not going to read a bunch of Wiki type excuses R B Garr Nov 2018 #139

He's an economist who knows what he is talking about JonLP24 Nov 2018 #143

Making Amazon the focus just shows it's about Bernie, R B Garr Nov 2018 #147

'Being right is meaningless' melman Nov 2018 #151

I'm phone typing so I didn't bother with the obvious R B Garr Nov 2018 #154

There was a long thread where AOC was ripped JonLP24 Nov 2018 #156

LOL, then why doesn't AOC convince Bernie to quit using Amazon? R B Garr Nov 2018 #212

The people calling out the Amazon deal JonLP24 Nov 2018 #232

Like I said, the obsession over Amazon is about Bernie, or you R B Garr Nov 2018 #233

Cleveland not signing Lebron will bankrupt them radius777 Nov 2018 #155

If your city's economy depends on a millionaire then your city has problems JonLP24 Nov 2018 #168

Gillum seemed to bring the wings together, radius777 Nov 2018 #204

Exactly. Looks like the turnout proves that voters want to win, R B Garr Nov 2018 #125

What misconsception, and how do you think political opinions are formed anyway? It takes a JCanete Nov 2018 #179

AOC is even seated yet and I'm sick of her NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #126

AOC says since she doesn't take PAC money like the others, she only speaks for her constituents Stellar Nov 2018 #247

If AOCdoes not work with her fellow House members, she will not be effective Gothmog Nov 2018 #127

Hmmmm, she will be an incumbent in 2020. What comes around goes around perhaps still_one Nov 2018 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Nov 2018 #130

In the sales business, they were called Prima Donnas. libdem4life Nov 2018 #133

I can think of one Dem who will probably be primaried in 2020: AOC. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #137

PLEASE STOP QUOTING THE HILL- rightwing owner sharedvalues Nov 2018 #138

Wouldn't it make more sense to try to flip (R) seats to (D)? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2018 #141

I'm amazed every day to hear the vitriol spewed toward this young woman Bettie Nov 2018 #159

That's not it nini Nov 2018 #169

I'm so sorry that you simply don't get it. Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #176

His age and gender are not the issue, Bettie, and "vitriol" is not being spewed her way by us... Hekate Nov 2018 #188

Thank you. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #196

Good Advice, Hekate! Cha Nov 2018 #211

No, you don't get it at all. Cha Nov 2018 #210

People seem very angry that she won that primary Bettie Nov 2018 #214

No, that's not it.. you just go around putting Cha Nov 2018 #215

Right...as if I haven't read the MANY Bettie Nov 2018 #216

AOC campaigned against Sharice Davids, Gretchen Cha Nov 2018 #217

IN the primaries Bettie Nov 2018 #218

Yes, AOC LOST Against Excellent Progressive DEMS. Cha Nov 2018 #219

She wasn't running against them Bettie Nov 2018 #221

I like that AOC is getting called out Cha Nov 2018 #224

Spot on, Cha. That criticism thing works both ways. nt Hekate Nov 2018 #227

Thank YOU! Cha Nov 2018 #228

I was unaware that the rules had changed Bettie Nov 2018 #254

First, you may be unclear on the parameters. Second, when a Dem wants to primary other Dems... Hekate Nov 2018 #258

LOL, yaw working overtime uponit7771 Nov 2018 #250

Nobody is 'demographically out of step.' Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #161

Democrats would do better to have candidates in ALL races, leaving no republican unchallenged liberal N proud Nov 2018 #177

I wish AOC would bring her sharp outfits, and her Instagram Live to WA-03 and help us defeat JBH. violetpastille Nov 2018 #199

Wonder how 2020 is going to work for her ... Historic NY Nov 2018 #180

Posters here used to be all for ousting "third-way" Dems... Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2018 #200

AOC & BS campaigned against Sharice Davids, Cha Nov 2018 #209

Makes perfect sense oberliner Nov 2018 #205

Kinda like when someone wanted Obama to be primaried... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #220

I remembered that person very well Gothmog Nov 2018 #223

Oh yeah.. BS wanted President Obama Primaried Cha Nov 2018 #226

Are ppl really going to get upset.. disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #240

With all due respect,those were normal times. I doubt he'd say that right now. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #260

who died and made her boss? samnsara Nov 2018 #251