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George II

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73. "If you don't like how things are, run for office" - I did, six times. Won four, lost two

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Sun Nov 18, 2018, 10:26 PM

Nov 2018

There's a difference between fundraising and electioneering. A BIG difference.

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So Ocasio-Cortez has not even taken office, and she's already planning [View all] pnwmom Nov 2018 OP

im so tired of fighting.... samnsara Nov 2018 #1

it's tiring bdamomma Nov 2018 #39

AOC won in a heavily Democratic district Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #2

I'm not fine with the "justice Democrat" they put up in my area. pnwmom Nov 2018 #5

Can you tell us who that was? If not that's OK. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #7

She won with 5% of the vote in her district against Crowley. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #14

You're right, it's not a mandate... NurseJackie Nov 2018 #28

mhmm. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #95

What's that mean? melman Nov 2018 #52

One has to behave as a new member of congress and try to learn how it all works. dhol82 Nov 2018 #61

Bingo. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #72

I'm sure her constituents TheFarseer Nov 2018 #201

Isn't that something? melman Nov 2018 #202

Really glad Obama didn't TheFarseer Nov 2018 #205

When it comes to politics Separation Nov 2018 #252

Tell me what you think it means. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #70

I'm asking you melman Nov 2018 #80

sorry mel. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #81

Game? melman Nov 2018 #83

Aww, mel. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #85

Okay melman Nov 2018 #91

I am honored that you remembered. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #93

Let it go Melman. I agree with you but your only kicking this crap up. pwb Nov 2018 #145

Okay melman Nov 2018 #147

Sad really... AOC is the future of our party. We should be celebrating her, not denigrating her. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #227

If you don't know what "mandate" means Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #163

Of course I know what the word means melman Nov 2018 #164

Of course I know you know what the word means Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #165

I don't think it's insipid at all melman Nov 2018 #166

Fine, I'll play Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #167

working on legislation is boring JI7 Nov 2018 #3

+1 JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #6

She hasn't been sworn in yet so obviously she hasn't had the opportunity to work on legislation crazycatlady Nov 2018 #62

I predict a short and rocky career for her unless she amends her views of how to get things done.... Hekate Nov 2018 #4

AOC is doing great. Be positive! sharedvalues Nov 2018 #33

she's calling out Dems.. she can be called Cha Nov 2018 #54

Not really: she's helping the party. And rightwing media is attacking her sharedvalues Nov 2018 #156

Yes she is along with Cenk Uygur Cha Nov 2018 #162

Oh god, not another cult NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #208

I stand *with* Democrats and *against* Republicans sharedvalues Nov 2018 #211

What? NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #212

I stand with Democrats and against Republicans sharedvalues Nov 2018 #214

Being primaried can go both ways. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #128

THIS!!!! +1,000 InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #229

What I DO NOT want to see is a somebody building a big wedge calimary Nov 2018 #127

She got to Congress by defeating a long-standing Democrat in a primary oberliner Nov 2018 #244

What happened to doing her job? JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2018 #19

LOL back at ya. The majority of posters here are progressives. brush Nov 2018 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Nov 2018 #26

I'm sorry What?! brush is right.. We do Cha Nov 2018 #30

No, it's a pissing contest to see who can piss on the latest round of popular democrats A HERETIC I AM Nov 2018 #37

HAHA! Too bad AOC gets called out on Cha Nov 2018 #41

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #42

Oh yeah, you're just full of insults and personal attacks. Cha Nov 2018 #43

No, that's not all I have, as evidenced by the previous post. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2018 #51

Yes, that's all you have. Cha Nov 2018 #53

Mahalo!! SixString Nov 2018 #56

... George II Nov 2018 #68

... SixString Nov 2018 #74

Sorry you had a sad. Maybe this will cheer you up? George II Nov 2018 #92

I agree! No longer a fan after she pulled that stunt! Thekaspervote Nov 2018 #66

Yes.... very well said disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #113

Is there a comprehension problem? You wrote that many DUers hated when... brush Nov 2018 #32

Fun fact, you can be a member here a long time and still be wrong TeamPooka Nov 2018 #78

That is a Fun Fact. Cha Nov 2018 #105

If length of service/ attendance is your ruler here at DU... sheshe2 Nov 2018 #89

Are you saying you have bigger hands? nt fleabiscuit Nov 2018 #98

BFD. I've been working for Democrats since 1968 when I volunteered for RFK. 50 years. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #172

Perhaps, just perhaps you might want to know a little about JustAnotherGen. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #64

AOC is calling on Dems to be primaried.. We Cha Nov 2018 #69

She was out there campaigning for other Democratic candidates...not campmaigning against those JCanete Nov 2018 #99

AOC was campaigning Against Sharice Davids, Cha Nov 2018 #100

NO....she was campaiging for their opponents. You clearly want to make something a negative JCanete Nov 2018 #101

Yes, and now she's all over advocating primaries for incumbent Dems in 2020. Cha Nov 2018 #102

They'll all be internal fights between democrats. The way it should be. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #106

Maybe she could wait until they, and she, are actually sworn in mcar Nov 2018 #151

uh....because she's fighting on issues? That's what I care about. She's not hurting our JCanete Nov 2018 #152

She flew to Missouri to campaign against Lacy Clay. xmas74 Nov 2018 #160

where did she call Davids a corporatist hack? Also, backing Welder is what primaries are about. JCanete Nov 2018 #168

"If you don't like how things are, run for office" - I did, six times. Won four, lost two George II Nov 2018 #73

If it wasn't for Representative Cortez I sure would not have realized that incumbents could be still_one Nov 2018 #75

Is there more or less pressure on members to raise money... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #79

I want to know the definition of "progressive." betsuni Nov 2018 #87

I agree with you. I have noticed a contingent of babylonsister Nov 2018 #134

I hate it when BS calls my Democratic Party Cha Nov 2018 #136

I believe in AOC bigtree Nov 2018 #9

One only needs to follow her twitter posts to see what she is doing nini Nov 2018 #16

sure that's all bigtree Nov 2018 #17

We have eyes and ears. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #88

More politico crap? Yawn. pwb Nov 2018 #10

what is your beef? Primaries are legit. If their candidates win, they win, if the candiates they JCanete Nov 2018 #11

People are on a mission against this young lady. pwb Nov 2018 #15

AOC has announced a mission against many of her new House colleagues. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #109

AOC primaried a member of the house because she thought he needed to be. She won. JCanete Nov 2018 #170

Primaries usually weaken incumbents for the general. pnwmom Nov 2018 #21

based on what evidence? Do you actually have numbers to back that statement up? JCanete Nov 2018 #23

I have read in some detail about the philosophy of Democratic Socialists. pnwmom Nov 2018 #29

How do you believe that can happen unless you change the actual legal structure of some of these JCanete Nov 2018 #36

If, as you claim, there is "no daylight," why announce that Justice Democrats are going to primary.. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #84

I didn't claim that. I was referring to a claim that has been made here on this board many many JCanete Nov 2018 #86

Logic. If someone has to fight primary opponents on the LEFT and pnwmom Nov 2018 #110

I don't see that as necessarily true. That needs to be meted out in an actual study. It could be JCanete Nov 2018 #133

I hope that AOC learns how to answers questions in interviews better Gothmog Nov 2018 #50

I wish she'd done better because she let tapper lie without being challenged, but then JCanete Nov 2018 #65

Facts are more powerful than magical thinking Gothmog Nov 2018 #120

I just showed you where he was absolutely wrong and you either aren't doing the math yourself JCanete Nov 2018 #131

LOL-No you did not Gothmog Nov 2018 #138

its right there. Cortez accounted for 34 trillion of his number. He pretended she accounted for 2 JCanete Nov 2018 #139

You do realize that hypothetical societal savings are not tax revenues in the real world? Gothmog Nov 2018 #140

No...these numbers aren't pulled out of the fucking air. They aren't magical, and the 32 trillion JCanete Nov 2018 #141

Thank you for admitting that Tapper was correct and had the facts on his side Gothmog Nov 2018 #155

nobody said there wouldn't be more taxes. There's nothign to admit to. Taht's part of the fucking JCanete Nov 2018 #158

Again, thank you for admitting that Jake Tapper was right and OAC was wrong Gothmog Nov 2018 #159

Where did she deny this? She said that this would save people money, which it should. Which the JCanete Nov 2018 #169

Watch the Tapper interview Gothmog Nov 2018 #173

Taxes are literally talked about. Nobody denies that they would be raised. I have no JCanete Nov 2018 #174

Do you ever tire of being wrong? Gothmog Nov 2018 #175

what are you talking about? Cortez identifies 2 trillion in savings to Americans JCanete Nov 2018 #176

Again you need to watch the interview Gothmog Nov 2018 #177

Jesus Christ...I gave you a drop the mic opportunity. You could quote it in black and white and go JCanete Nov 2018 #178

Gothmog is right about magical thinking. ucrdem Nov 2018 #179

Why would it have to be done that way? That makes no bloody sense. I don't pay monthly taxes, JCanete Nov 2018 #180

Because that's the way Medicare works. Look it up. nt ucrdem Nov 2018 #182

why would medicare for all have to work that way? This is a simple process question. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #183

If it doesn't work that way it isn't Medicare. In which case ucrdem Nov 2018 #185

oh good lord. Because of differences between medicare and medicare for all? You realize there are JCanete Nov 2018 #187

No, Tapper is wrong and AOC is correct. See Paul Krugman sharedvalues Nov 2018 #256

Again, I really wonder how you can be wrong each and every time Gothmog Nov 2018 #184

Dude, this wasn't dodgeball. I served it up. All you had to do was spike it, but you've simply JCanete Nov 2018 #186

The $40 trillion question Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez couldn't answer Gothmog Nov 2018 #197

Where does the 40 trillion dollar figure come from? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2018 #219

Mercatus. The Koch organization sharedvalues Nov 2018 #257

AOC was right and Tapper was wrong sharedvalues Nov 2018 #255

No, Tapper was correct and AOC was wrong in not answering a simple question Gothmog Nov 2018 #276

That's a lot of words melman Nov 2018 #142

LOL-I love living in the real world where accounting concepts matter Gothmog Nov 2018 #149

I wonder if Sanders, Cortez, or anyone advocating for Medicare for All, who are saying that it... George II Nov 2018 #199

Hypothetical societal savings or savings to taxpayers are not govt. revenues Gothmog Nov 2018 #200

Here's an actual quote from an interview with Chris Cuomo in August: George II Nov 2018 #226

I heard that also Gothmog Nov 2018 #232

What's with the lies, they aren't claiming that... Humanist_Activist Nov 2018 #218

You drop into a four-day old discussion and begin by immediately calling me a liar? George II Nov 2018 #223

Did you quote somebody saying this wouldn't be paid for by taxes? There are two different JCanete Nov 2018 #237

What does that have to do with the post of mine to which you're responding? George II Nov 2018 #238

this was the question you posed and then repeated in the post I responded to. JCanete Nov 2018 #239

You've got about 20 posts in this discussion. I presume you've read your way through many others... George II Nov 2018 #240

Again, George, who has said that this is going to be accomplished without raised taxes? JCanete Nov 2018 #270

You answer the question in the post to which you first responded, and then I'll reciprocate. Deal? George II Nov 2018 #272

Where have anyone said that it would be PAID FOR by savings? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2018 #269

Many times. Here's one: George II Nov 2018 #271

Sure, and that wasn't a thought-out answer, except that savings to the American people is JCanete Nov 2018 #273

One more time (I believe this is the third time) - do you know how Medicare works? George II Nov 2018 #274

That's a ridiculously broad question. Certainly not enough to personally implement it. JCanete Nov 2018 #280

It's not a ridiculously broad question, and since you're here acting like you know all about it... George II Nov 2018 #281

I'm not sure what you're dissecting with any of that information, since nobody at all JCanete Nov 2018 #282

See post #271. Are you ever going to answer my question: "do you know how Medicare works"? George II Nov 2018 #275

These hypothetical savings are not tax revenues in the real world Gothmog Nov 2018 #236

If he lied why not tell us what that lie was? George II Nov 2018 #144

Dude...I did. Read down the post. But its basic math anyway. JCanete Nov 2018 #146

But she didn't say specifically where the $32 trillion comes from.... George II Nov 2018 #148

Well we know where the 32 trillion figure comes from. That's the Koch study figure of how JCanete Nov 2018 #150

We don't really know how much Americans spend on healthcare. All of these numbers... George II Nov 2018 #153

Precisely!! It's called "democracy." InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #228

Youthful zeal, I think... LakeArenal Nov 2018 #12

I have to admit, I like the diversity, and maybe my own bit of pique is due to age...mine and hers. libdem4life Nov 2018 #13

Her generation's defining event was 9/11 crazycatlady Nov 2018 #114

The cruel irony is that SHE could be the one getting primaried in 2 years BluegrassDem Nov 2018 #18

She IS a person of color. phleshdef Nov 2018 #25

I'm aware of that BluegrassDem Nov 2018 #27

She is taking office because she defeated a long-standing Democrat in a primary oberliner Nov 2018 #20

Here ya go A HERETIC I AM Nov 2018 #22

She's not old enough Bettie Nov 2018 #31

Another 29 year old woman was also elected to congress crazycatlady Nov 2018 #45

I'm not sure why she's the one some have chosen Bettie Nov 2018 #60

Is that other 29 year old staging protests outside Pelosi's office, pnwmom Nov 2018 #108

you should know well she didn't 'stage protests' outside Rep. Pelosi's office bigtree Nov 2018 #115

ABC and Salon aren't conservative news sites. pnwmom Nov 2018 #121

your take on the event in Rep. Pelosi's office is completely false bigtree Nov 2018 #122

Tell that to ABC News and Salon and others in the MSM. pnwmom Nov 2018 #123

nope bigtree Nov 2018 #124

You don't seem to understand that outside of a general election, pnwmom Nov 2018 #129

Thank you- Pelosi and AOC are working together. sharedvalues Nov 2018 #259

It's all good. Lunabell Nov 2018 #34

I'm getting tired of her Stidham8 Nov 2018 #35

She needs to wise up and learn from the pros. She might wind up in the commitee in demosincebirth Nov 2018 #38

You can be elected to Congress at 25 crazycatlady Nov 2018 #46

Well that's completely different, obviously. Mariana Nov 2018 #171

Get off my lawn ya young whippersnappers. n/t Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #71

Damn kids!!! n/t QC Nov 2018 #132

I'm way past that. Cha Nov 2018 #104

John Lewis seems to agree with her. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #135

The subject is threatening to go after Cha Nov 2018 #137

Considering the way she has been attacked Lordquinton Nov 2018 #40

So you have no problem with AOC being primaried next cycle? Gothmog Nov 2018 #48

Do you? melman Nov 2018 #58

If AOC primaries other democrats, she should expect to see a primary herself Gothmog Nov 2018 #118

Are you attacking her before she has taken office? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #67

I have never been impressed with AOC Gothmog Nov 2018 #117

So you are attacking a newly elected democrat Lordquinton Nov 2018 #203

I am not attacking her but I am not impressed with her Gothmog Nov 2018 #204

Probably because she isn't proposing $40 trillion in new programs Lordquinton Nov 2018 #207

Watch the CNN interview Gothmog Nov 2018 #209

Why are you joining in on the attack? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #220

I like living in the real world where facts matter Gothmog Nov 2018 #234

Toe the line, man. Don't you get it? George II Nov 2018 #235

Texas isn't any more "real" than the rest of the country Lordquinton Nov 2018 #243

What did bernie or AOC do in Texas? Gothmog Nov 2018 #248

If anything, she and Sanders had a negative effect on candidates in Texas: George II Nov 2018 #249

I was involved in one of these races Gothmog Nov 2018 #250

I remember their attacks, but couldn't think of who they supported - wasn't it Laura Moser? George II Nov 2018 #251

I am still waiting for an answer as to what sanders and AOC did in Texas to help Gothmog Nov 2018 #277

Lots of questions go unanswered in these discussions. Unfortunately people throw things out.... George II Nov 2018 #278

Stil no answers to my question Gothmog Dec 2018 #286

BTW, this makes me smile Gothmog Dec 2018 #287

AOC has been 'campaigned against' here since she was a Democratic nominee bigtree Nov 2018 #126

I am amused that you think that AOC has been targeted. Gothmog Nov 2018 #130

Why do you feel that candidates shouldn't face primary challenges? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #206

AOC and Cenk/Just Us Democrats want to primary other Democrats Gothmog Nov 2018 #216

She's the one who complained a few days after the primary, claiming that Crowley was... George II Nov 2018 #225

Gothmog, why amplify rightwing talking points? sharedvalues Nov 2018 #210

I am not pushing any right wing talking points Gothmog Nov 2018 #215

You're echoing rightwing propaganda media. Nm sharedvalues Nov 2018 #221

So you're (incorrectly) criticizing someone for saying the same things as all those outlets say... George II Nov 2018 #224

Rightwing media induces NYT and CNN etc to discuss rightwing attacks sharedvalues Nov 2018 #253

Quoting the immortal Jack Buck, "I can't believe what I just saw"...... George II Nov 2018 #258

Propaganda gap- sharedvalues Nov 2018 #260

Cortez' own organization, Justice Democrats, called it a "protest". Check their twitter feed. George II Nov 2018 #268

You are again totally wrong-CNN is not a right wing source in the real world Gothmog Nov 2018 #233

Hack gap. Let's all be careful not to do the rights' bidding sharedvalues Nov 2018 #254

So in your world, CNN and Jake Tapper are conservative sources??? Gothmog Nov 2018 #261

Tapper is wrong. Krugman is right. AOC is right. sharedvalues Nov 2018 #262

Don't take the CPA exam Gothmog Nov 2018 #264

"How can you not say that AOC is getting unfairly attacked by the media?" George II Nov 2018 #265

What other "Democrats" are attacking her? Is it an "attack" or honest, constructive criticism? George II Nov 2018 #222

Nothing honest about the attacks on her Lordquinton Nov 2018 #241

So, I ask again, which Democrats are doing the "attacking" or "smears"? I'm sure... George II Nov 2018 #242

What are your thoughts on her? Lordquinton Nov 2018 #245

You still haven't answered the question, yet you fire one back yourself? George II Nov 2018 #247

You never got your question answered Gothmog Nov 2018 #279

Adopt all those sensible things she is talking about HopeAgain Nov 2018 #44

AOC campaigned against Sharice Davids this cycle which shows some poor judgement Gothmog Nov 2018 #47

maybe she wants her primaried in 2020 JI7 Nov 2018 #94

AOC failed once at this stunt Gothmog Nov 2018 #116

5 other Democratic challengers for the seat in that race bigtree Nov 2018 #125

Huge rec! Celerity Nov 2018 #190

"Some on here are trying to stigmatize and shut down all dissent that is not in lock-step with betsuni Nov 2018 #191

I see nothing ironic whatsoever Celerity Nov 2018 #192

... progressoid Nov 2018 #49

That woman just doesn't know she is supposed Voltaire2 Nov 2018 #55

Fox news benefits from her media attention. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #59

No they don't melman Nov 2018 #63

Exactly. Sit down and shut up. It's what all great leaders do MaryMagdaline Nov 2018 #97

its shame the rightwing media is going to push all forms of discourse and we democrats must be beachbum bob Nov 2018 #57

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amazing isn't it. After the amazing Democratic gains in the House, this is the unifying message she still_one Nov 2018 #77

So voters shouldn't be able to have Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2018 #82

+1 n/t ChazII Nov 2018 #213

"Abolishing ICE" Azathoth Nov 2018 #90

You should ask these folks Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #96

That's opportunistic posturing Azathoth Nov 2018 #103

What is it with extremsits creating these agencies? I'm not exactly sure why your confident that an JCanete Nov 2018 #283

ICE is not really a "new" agency. It's a reorganization and consolidation Azathoth Nov 2018 #284

That suggests that we couldn't enforce our borders previously, before ICE was a thing. JCanete Nov 2018 #285

Your OP reminded me of a story a European friend heard from his grandfather about WW I DFW Nov 2018 #107

That's not a very heartwarming story Bucky Nov 2018 #194

I know DFW Nov 2018 #196

That's fucking sick. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #195

What is Congress' approval rating, again? shanny Nov 2018 #111

Most people give their own Congress people higher ratings pnwmom Nov 2018 #157

Let the best candidate win... disillusioned73 Nov 2018 #112

I lulz'd KG Nov 2018 #119

Focus on the crooks and the nazis the Rs just elected...not the Dems that we did. pecosbob Nov 2018 #143

it feels ...fresh Kurt V. Nov 2018 #154

She certainly didn't give a damn about diversity and WOC xmas74 Nov 2018 #161

She also campaigned against Lacy Clay, who wound up winning the primary by 20% and then... George II Nov 2018 #231

I like her. bhikkhu Nov 2018 #181

She even has her own acryonim, here. demosincebirth Nov 2018 #188

She has a very long name to type out. pnwmom Nov 2018 #189

That must take, what, an extra two seconds? demosincebirth Nov 2018 #198

maybe it is to avoid spelling errors, like misspelling acronym Celerity Nov 2018 #246

Darn that spell check! demosincebirth Nov 2018 #266

ihihihihih Celerity Nov 2018 #267

Such hypocricy!!1! Bucky Nov 2018 #193

Sorry, but I adore Ocasio-Cortez. We need more Democrats like her. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #217

LOTS more! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #230

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