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PufPuf23

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22. Prisoners have low paying jobs in prisons.
Sun Nov 18, 2018, 11:57 PM
Nov 2018

The jobs defray the costs of incarnation, puts commissary $ in their pockets, may be job training, and is volunteer, even considered a privileged job. I spent 16 year as a USFS employee, and while not normally in my regular job, have fire experience and experience with the prisoner crews. They always seemed to have very high morale.

There are environmental work camps in CA for prisoners besides for fires and this is the source of the fire labor. They are referred to as "honor" or "conservation" camps and have been used since at least the 1960s. There is a CA Youth Authority Camp at the Whiskeytown NRA (where Carr Fire started).

It is silly to consider this slave labor as the prisoners involved like these jobs, though can be very hard work. Most of the work on fires is in support (kitchens, supplies, etc) or as holding or mop crews but not the crews that directly attack the fires. They have more freedom and receive better food while in the camps or on fires.

I have great respect for the prisoner crews. I think Amy Goodman missed the mark here casting asperations that the convicts are slave labor.

it's 1,500 not 15,000 IcyPeas Nov 2018 #1
Thanks. Equinox Moon Nov 2018 #2
Prison labor is slave labor. Solidarity with incarcerated people. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #3
yes Demovictory9 Nov 2018 #4
They volunteer and train for the opportunity. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #5
"Volunteer" elides the inherent lack of agency prisoners have. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #6
They would rather be outside the cells fighting fires. You would stop that program?? nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #7
What you say can be true at the same time that it's slave labor. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #10
No it is not. Slaves had no choice. These prisoners asked for this job. Simple. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #11
Just because someone is in prison does not mean they don't want to help their community alphafemale Nov 2018 #23
Correction....Its Cheap Labor. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #12
Not really, when one considers it cost more per year to incarcerate someone than it does... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #14
I have an incarcerated friend who has been on a list for 2 years to get grantcart Nov 2018 #24
Right, right, that doesn't sound expoloitative or coercive at all. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #40
He did terrible things. He ripped off dozens of elderly folks and got their life savings grantcart Nov 2018 #41
Right, that makes exploitation and coercion okay, and we should totally build our justice system WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #42
No coercion, no exploitation grantcart Nov 2018 #43
We should give them credits for earlier release Cicada Nov 2018 #8
They get such credits. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #13
This is a great program that allows well-trained inmate figherfighters... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #9
I saw them a lot during the Santa Rosa fires last year Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #15
Inmate firefighters . keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #16
Inmates who volunteer to fight California's largest fires denied access to jobs on release ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #21
do they get OT? Demonaut Nov 2018 #17
It costs over $75,000 a year to house an inmate on average in CA... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #18
It shouldn't be cheap to send prisoners into life-threatening situations. Iggo Nov 2018 #19
It isn't cheap. You've got your wish. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #20
It isn't really supposed to be mitigated by the labor. We could afford to pay a more reasonable JCanete Nov 2018 #25
The $75,000 cost just gives a lie to the charge this is cheap labor. It's not. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #26
well its cheaper than hiring somebody who isn't in prison. They're already paying that JCanete Nov 2018 #29
I think the self-pride that comes with saving lives... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #30
that sounds like platitudes to me. How would better pay in any way reduce taht pride? nt JCanete Nov 2018 #31
Not a bit. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #33
Prisoners have low paying jobs in prisons. PufPuf23 Nov 2018 #22
Thanks for being a voice of reason and experience. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #27
While I agree with some of what you are saying, I think thats far too easy. For one thing, JCanete Nov 2018 #28
It seems simplistic to blame only the prison lobby for the criminality that causes people... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #32
it is where our priorities are. Scaremongering and promoting policing, anti-immigration, etc. JCanete Nov 2018 #34
I think you are letting a radicalized worldview get in the way of seeing the positives... Small-Axe Nov 2018 #35
what is radicalized about my world-view? I'd need an example. You know that in 2014 JCanete Nov 2018 #36
As I said, it isn't "cheap labor." It is very (very) expensive labor. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #37
then why did we literally argue for it, as a REASON to keep people in cells? JCanete Nov 2018 #38
Not following Small-Axe Nov 2018 #39
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