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BumRushDaShow

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18. I think the protestations in the thread are more about the impact to the workers
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 12:08 PM
Nov 2018

vs the company itself - and other than MD, taking note of the impact on the states that tipped the scale to Drumpf - i.e., OH & MI. And it's not just the actual assemblers but all the parts plants also located on those states, that will be majorily impacted with reduced requests for all the nuts and bolts and staples and vinyl and leather and filters and glass and pumps and tubing and tires, etc.

I have only owned U.S. cars - and at least one from each of what was once known as the "Big 3" - Chrysler-Plymouth-Dodge, GM, and Ford (although at least one may have been partially assembled in Canada - which I think was a Chevy).

One of the reasons I ended up going to the crossover/SUV size was because the trunks in the sedans were getting smaller and smaller and what I needed to haul just wouldn't fit. I grew up in Ford station wagons (Country Squire and LTD) and my Mom used to have a Mercury with a huge trunk.

I suppose the "downsizing" of the sedans in general was due to the continual updates of the CAFE standards for reducing environmental impacts, but there was also an issue where the U.S. carmakers lost their innovation and recently attempted to revive some of their iconic brands (but at a premium). But one cannot ignore all the Hondas & Toyotas (although noticeably a shrinking market) and most significantly, the Nissans & Kias. The odd decisions over the years - like Ford deciding to ditch their iconic Taurus a bunch of years ago (then eventually returned) or Chevy ditching their Cavialier, etc., ended up pushing more buyers either to foreign cars or to the larger crossovers/SUVs. It's not like people aren't buying the smaller cars, but once they find a brand, they tended to stay with it, and in this case, it wasn't an American brand.

And many seemed to continually complain about reliability but over the past 10 years, I have been hearing the nightmare stories about the much-hugged Toyotas and Hondas and all their recalls - notably the airbags, and transmission issues. So really, there are few cars that are problem-less but people will often pooh-pooh problems they DID have because of loyalty vs how that problem compared to the same happening in a different brand (since parts manufacturers often sell to multiple brands).

Five are closing, and that means a hell of a lot to the people who are working there. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #1
Don't forget impacts to the parts distributors, logistics, local restaurants, gas stations, etc. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #20
Yes, on NPR they said that every job at the plant equals seven in the town ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #22
Little? Just another 10k manufacturing jobs leaving the midwest. FSogol Nov 2018 #2
uh huh, right. tell that to the people who just lost their jobs. nt Javaman Nov 2018 #3
It wasn't just 1. It was at least 5. BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #4
I counted 70 plants total on the list of those currently operating ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #16
I think the protestations in the thread are more about the impact to the workers BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #18
I think after Detroit went bust, auto companies started shifting their paradigm of production ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #23
Personally BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #33
Who is arguing, from the perspective of the company, this is the end of the world? LanternWaste Nov 2018 #34
Your list and your point PJMcK Nov 2018 #5
Very true, and I hope my edit clarifies my position ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #14
Sure, go tell that to the thousands losing their jobs awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #6
I love how Trump claims to be anti-global - but keeps saying "they're coming back" hexola Nov 2018 #7
The damn fool talks about globalization as evil, but he has businesses all over the globe. The guy RKP5637 Nov 2018 #11
Try telling the 14,000 or so people losing their jobs how "very little" it means. WillowTree Nov 2018 #8
Oshawa Car Assembly, Canada is closing Tripper11 Nov 2018 #9
This is the biggest layoff I can remember - anyone? hexola Nov 2018 #10
Do you mean in the auto industry or in particular. Hugin Nov 2018 #12
Both - just looking for some context - nt hexola Nov 2018 #13
Here BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #19
It's not even as big as GM's 2009 layoff round, that was 49,000 Recursion Nov 2018 #26
well, I used to work for Digital Equipment Corporation .... kwassa Nov 2018 #30
trumps threats will only make more businesses reject him duforsure Nov 2018 #15
Thanks for sharing corporate logic with us. What's one plant closing in the US anyway? It's of... brush Nov 2018 #17
You're absolutely right. I am sharing corporate logic to make a point ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #25
Take your eye off the ball for even a minute newblewtoo Nov 2018 #21
Warren Ohio will be devestated...there are not many jobs and now there will be fewer...so can we Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #24
Who is pretending? I'm certainly not ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #27
Probably not in Warren itself, no; people will need to move closer in to Youngstown or Pittsburgh Recursion Nov 2018 #28
Off subject a bit, but the rise in Health Care jobs is often hospice, home-care type jobs libdem4life Nov 2018 #31
Youngstown is 15 minutes from Warren...and Pittsburgh is over an hour over some of the worst Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #36
No, I will not "spare you" the description of the job openings in that area Recursion Nov 2018 #38
Not every person can be a nurse or whatever...did you miss the part where I told you one of our Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #40
Isn't this the deal that The Cretin was "demanding" that they stay in the US? libdem4life Nov 2018 #29
What amazes me is that his brand is global, yet he seems to understand nothing about ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #32
I think GM is in trouble personally fescuerescue Nov 2018 #35
The one in Oshawa is also closing oberliner Nov 2018 #37
GM banked $2 billion in profits from its China operations last year dalton99a Nov 2018 #39
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