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In reply to the discussion: I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore about the Assange case. [View all]Robb
(39,665 posts)20. Nonsense.
Assange is NOT charged. The UK would hand him over to Sweden where there are no rape charges.
Time and again the question of Assange "not being charged" is raised. Well, that all depends on how you translate the term. If you mean that being charged is the same as being prosecuted, then the answer is that Mr Assange is NOT charged.
If, on the other hand, the term is meant as a mandatory prelude to being prosecuted, then yes, Mr Assange is charged. This does not mean that he WILL be prosecuted.
There is no such thing as being charged in Swedish law. There is however a formal step that must be taken before a prosecutor can _ as in the case of Mr Assange _ reguest a court to remand a person. This is the notification of a suspicion of crime. There are two levels of suspicion, reasonable and probable, the latter being the more serious level.
Mr Assange is "on probable grounds" a suspect of a crime that carries at least one year in prison (four years is usual for "standard rape" in Sweden) That is why the District Court of Stockholm remanded him (in absentia) and why the Svea Court of Appeal upheld that ruling.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/20/julian-assange-asylum-ecuador-embassy-live?mobile-redirect=false
Julian has invited Sweden to question him in the UK and Sweden refused.
This is currently the most popular contention of Assanges many vocal supporters. But this too is based on a misunderstanding.
Assange is not wanted merely for questioning.
He is wanted for arrest.
This arrest is for an alleged crime in Sweden as the procedural stage before charging (or indictment). Indeed, to those who complain that Assange has not yet been charged, the answer is simple: he cannot actually be charged until he is arrested.
It is not for any person accused of rape and sexual assault to dictate the terms on which he is investigated, whether it be Assange or otherwise. The question is whether the Swedish investigators can now, at this stage of the process, arrest Assange.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition
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I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore about the Assange case. [View all]
Odin2005
Aug 2012
OP
The Swedish criminal process is not the same as the process in the UK
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#43
The Swedish investigation into the Assange matter has reached the point at which the authorities
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#105
The worse thing that could happen to the Assange apologists at this point
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2012
#134
"... It's embarrassing to say so, given that even a single man, as I was, is liable
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#110
What part of 'support whistle blowing and Wikileaks' do you choose to not read?
randome
Aug 2012
#55
Good grief. Blowing the whistle involves breaking some rules, violating some
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#86
Do you know of evidence that Assange "talked" Manning into providing the documents?
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#97
Wow, just wow! Not only do you use unsubstantiated accusation about Assange's involvement
idwiyo
Aug 2012
#98
Assange in February 2011 said the BoA stuff just wasn't interesting:
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#111
UK protected Pinochet from extradition. Assange not charged w/any crime
WillYourVoteBCounted
Aug 2012
#12
WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to Us
WillYourVoteBCounted
Aug 2012
#13
I appologize. My statement wasnt polite. I have periods of frustration. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#44
And some would argue that conservatives shouldnt be allowed on progressive boards
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#54
My favorite part of this: Wikileaks unearthed that the Tunisians were 1st in arab world to oust
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2012
#32
i agree, i haven't waded off into the assange business here until today
arely staircase
Aug 2012
#19
no wikileaks released what they thought were steve job's medical records
arely staircase
Aug 2012
#34
I believe it is misogynistic to assume that women, unlike men, can never be wrong.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#63
This is not the reason for the doubts about these women's testimony. The doubts arise from
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#81
I think a good starting point for a rape victim is them saying "i was raped"
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#66
they can't make such a promise since it would go against international law
Bodhi BloodWave
Aug 2012
#103
International law is guided by the specific treaty between the US and Sweden...
AntiFascist
Aug 2012
#108
why request a promise for something that goes against the treaty by its own words?
Bodhi BloodWave
Aug 2012
#115
I'm sure everyone accused of a crime would like a 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card for any other crimes.
randome
Aug 2012
#85
And Bush and Cheney enjoy their retirement although they started the War in Iraq on a pretext
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#101
"right after he threatened to publish some stuff that would make the Banksters look bad"
NCTraveler
Aug 2012
#120
The actions of the governments involved make no sense in historical context
TheKentuckian
Aug 2012
#132