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standingtall

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13. Impeachment will not remove Trump he should still be impeached
Sat May 25, 2019, 02:55 PM
May 2019

The three men took on leading roles at the Constitutional Convention almost as soon as it convened on May 25, 1787. In the first week, Randolph, the 33-year-old Virginia governor, introduced the Virginia Plan, written by Madison, which became the starting point for the new national government. Mason, one of Virginia’s richest planters and a major framer of his home state’s new constitution, was the first delegate to argue that the government needed a check on the executive’s power. “Some mode of displacing an unfit magistrate” was necessary, he argued on June 2, without “making the Executive the mere creature of the Legislature.” After a short debate, the convention agreed to the language proposed in the Virginia Plan: the executive would “be removable on impeachment and conviction of malpractice or neglect of duty” – a broad standard that the delegates would later rewrite.

Mason, Madison, and Randolph all spoke up to defend impeachment on July 20, after Charles Pinckney of South Carolina and Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania moved to strike it. “[If the president] should be re-elected, that will be sufficient proof of his innocence,” Morris argued. “[Impeachment] will render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach.”

“Shall any man be above justice?” Mason asked. “Shall that man be above it who can commit the most extensive injustice?” A presidential candidate might bribe the electors to gain the presidency, Mason suggested. “Shall the man who has practiced corruption, and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment by repeating his guilt?”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-founding-fathers-debate-over-what-constituted-impeachable-offense-180965083/

Looks like the argument that impeachment should not be pursued because the Senate wont convict or that reelection would exonerate an impeached President was shot down at the constitutional convention in Philadelphia.

Makes a great PR campaign for 2020. We outnumber GOP and our anger is beachbum bob May 2019 #1
An excellent basis for a Senate Campaign indeed. crazytown May 2019 #10
Your point? Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #2
My point is Trump is going to the polls in 2020. crazytown May 2019 #3
If he steals it again? MFM008 May 2019 #8
If he steals it again crazytown May 2019 #11
Did we know there would be a D-Day after Pearl Harbor? Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #20
Sigh crazytown May 2019 #25
Impeachment without conviction wryter2000 May 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #7
Impeachment, Regardless of the Senate's actions is essential Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #21
No one is saying do nothing wryter2000 May 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music May 2019 #6
But what a powerful advertisement. lark May 2019 #5
I think as long as he has the numbers to acquit, McConnell will hold a trial StarfishSaver May 2019 #9
Not I think with some Senators up for re-election in 2020 crazytown May 2019 #14
Or he'd hold some quicky trial, find Trump not guilty and declare the matter "finished" sop May 2019 #12
Amen wryter2000 May 2019 #24
Impeachment will not remove Trump he should still be impeached standingtall May 2019 #13
and yet in practice qazplm135 May 2019 #16
Bears repeating: "We get so stuck on principles that we often forego power. ". nt emmaverybo May 2019 #17
I don't fucking care what the Republicans do in the senate. shockey80 May 2019 #15
+1, uponit7771 May 2019 #23
What you say may be true but quite frankly it's irrelevant tymorial May 2019 #18
I favor impeachment. crazytown May 2019 #19
1st - Amendment 25 * 2nd - Resignation * 3rd - It would be disingenuous to not discuss impeachment JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #26
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