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lapucelle

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85. What's your point?

Sat May 25, 2019, 03:56 PM

May 2019

The men didn’t want the pregnancies and they were “tricked and lied to” by their partners/wives?

Did their partners confirm that to you?

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Men Cause 100% of Unwanted Pregnancies [View all] lapucelle May 2019 OP

I've always said this: No ejaculation no pregnancy. Laffy Kat May 2019 #1

One of the guys at work actually said lapucelle May 2019 #2

And... 2naSalit May 2019 #5

Her body...her choice. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #20

Exactly...nt 2naSalit May 2019 #147

I would have a difficult time not smacking that co-worker. Laffy Kat May 2019 #9

You are too kind. smirkymonkey May 2019 #47

It is her body but.... Farmer-Rick May 2019 #14

The thing that really "gets my goat" is that the party pazzyanne May 2019 #28

That guy freely gave away his sperm. Once he gave it to her she gets to decide what happens Arazi May 2019 #35

BINGO! That's my take on it too. n/t CousinIT May 2019 #54

... 2naSalit May 2019 #148

Wrong. Your premises are both wrong. Anytime someone says "it's so simple", be sure that it is not. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #4

Horse pucky... 2naSalit May 2019 #7

:eyes: Men do not create ova, which is required. It is that simple. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #8

This isn't about what men want... 2naSalit May 2019 #15

Well said. Excellent response. mountain grammy May 2019 #27

Right on target! pazzyanne May 2019 #30

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey May 2019 #49

Women's control of their own bodies is paramount. But the OP is wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #56

But obviously the pregnancies are all wanted by the state Farmer-Rick May 2019 #18

You just said "It is that simple" in support of your own claim. lapucelle May 2019 #21

Whoosh. The post I was replying to was simplistic and I was mocking it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #57

Uh huh lapucelle May 2019 #93

A lesson in mocking that you missed Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #98

Have you figured out yet where donated sperm comes from? lapucelle May 2019 #106

The point about donated sperm went over your head too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #111

Thev "point about the donated sperm" didn't go over my head. You made a mistake. lapucelle May 2019 #118

The mistake is in the article you endorsed by posting it unqualified. The article ignores other ways Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #123

Other ways of what? N/T lapucelle May 2019 #128

Your other ways. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #130

"The article ignores other ways"... of "[my] other ways"? Other ways of what? lapucelle May 2019 #131

Yeah.... that's the excuse I'd use as well. nt (part II) LanternWaste May 2019 #170

Oh don't be silly. There was no "excuse". Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #171

You are wrong. KentuckyWoman May 2019 #107

The post you are replying to states that men don't create ova. You say this is factually wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #110

I wrote elsewhere in the thread "Women's control of their own bodies is paramount." Wrongheaded. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #112

What is wrongheaded about this support for women's rights that I wrote IN THIS THREAD? Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #113

Please consider this. zanana1 May 2019 #142

+1000.(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #165

The original poster was specifically talking about UNWANTED pregnancies. Texin May 2019 #45

Yes. Read my first post in this thread, #3. I am specifically talking about UNWANTED pregnancies. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #58

Where did the donated sperm come from? lapucelle May 2019 #86

Can't find a post from you earlier than this one. Note that the OP was referring to UNWANTED pregs. LAS14 May 2019 #137

Neither of those instances involve unwanted pregnancy. SunSeeker May 2019 #138

No, the premises are supported by science.(nt) ehrnst May 2019 #144

So, woman 100% cause wanted pregnancies, man 100% cause unwanted? Science? Not. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #145

.... ehrnst May 2019 #146

So, which group do you fall into? Scientifically? Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #157

..... ehrnst May 2019 #160

Not intended as one, but if you find it so, propose your own category G. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #161

...... ehrnst May 2019 #164

As it turns out, the 100-percenters in this thread are the ones guilty of exploiting False Dilemma Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #162

I wasn't one of those people. ehrnst May 2019 #163

I know. I had hoped for more than cute pictures. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #166

I had hoped for a challenging and thoughtful discussion.....nt ehrnst May 2019 #167

Write thoughtfully and you'll get one. I did my part. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #168

lulz ehrnst May 2019 #169

Now we know why your journal is empty. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #172

Lulz. ehrnst May 2019 #173

IVF is a willful act which the woman makes... 2naSalit May 2019 #150

Yep, even in the case of rape or incest. MoonRiver May 2019 #34

Unfortunately, not quite true MiniMe May 2019 #65

Sorry, while you might be right in spirit, you are wrong in fact. Plus you have a premise wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #3

Yes - there are two sides to this malaise May 2019 #6

That would be an intentional pregnancy. lapucelle May 2019 #26

But if there are intentional pregnancies malaise May 2019 #40

"Cause was the word used by the author, not "blamed". N/T lapucelle May 2019 #48

So how is a man responsible for a pregnancy when the woman malaise May 2019 #51

If the man really doesn't want a child, he will wear a condom regardless of whether she is on MrsCoffee May 2019 #67

"Men Cause 100% of UNWANTED Pregnancies" is the title. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #74

How do you know the man wants the pregnancy the woman wants? malaise May 2019 #83

What's your point? lapucelle May 2019 #85

I Think The Point Was Pretty Obvious JimGinPA May 2019 #152

What does your claim that women have sex with men in order to "trap" them lapucelle May 2019 #153

If You Want To Get Into Specifics... JimGinPA May 2019 #154

Yes, but it was a wanted pregnancy on her part. lapucelle May 2019 #155

"There is no flaw in the point." JimGinPA May 2019 #158

Your son caused the unwanted pregnancy. lapucelle May 2019 #159

Want to avoid an unwanted pregnancy as a male? HuskyOffset May 2019 #10

I have a friend who was on birth control and her boyfriend was wearing a condom NickB79 May 2019 #24

Obviously. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #62

You can't deny this basic fact of biology. zanana1 May 2019 #12

You can't deny this basic fact of biology. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #63

If it is the man who does not want a pregnancy, lapucelle May 2019 #87

I got pregnant with an I.U.D. nt zanana1 May 2019 #114

Yes, it can happen. Probably you did not blame the man. Similarly in this thread ... Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #115

It seems the government wants all pregnancies. Farmer-Rick May 2019 #19

First of all, I didn't write the piece, lapucelle May 2019 #23

You endorsed the piece in your OP by posting link and excerpts with no negative comment. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #64

That still doesn't make the author's premise my premise. lapucelle May 2019 #76

If she wanted to get pregnant, then it was a wanted pregnancy. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #78

I honestly believe you didn't read the article.. mountain grammy May 2019 #33

Re: contraceptives & condoms Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #61

Yes, clear enough.. you make it sound so simple mountain grammy May 2019 #72

A little bit of touche' :) but if I had more time I'd have made it shorter :) Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #73

What about men who make mistakes putting on the condom? lapucelle May 2019 #75

whataboutism? What is you point about that? Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #103

I know you hold yourself to be an expert, lapucelle May 2019 #109

The post you link to was obviously not mocking. Here you deflect when asked if you have a point. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #117

Hmmm...perhaps the linked post, rather than being mocking, was being mocked. lapucelle May 2019 #119

Okay, reference was not clear because it was in a different large sub-thread. Still, your point? Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #120

The piece linked to is not about blame and only partially about responsibility. lapucelle May 2019 #122

No. "cause" is wrong. Assigning a cause assigns blame implicitly unless qualified. It wasn't. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #124

Assigning a "cause" does not assign a "blame" implicitly. lapucelle May 2019 #125

By your logic, a woman is never a cause of a pregnancy. You deny them agency even for that. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #129

There's no problem with the proposition that men cause 100% of unwanted pregnancies. lapucelle May 2019 #132

You might want to reread the piece. lapucelle May 2019 #108

If a man doesn't want a pregnancy lapucelle May 2019 #77

Your premise is that only woman have unwanted pregnancies. malaise May 2019 #99

I think your reply is intended elsewhere or is malformed. You replied differently to me to same post Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #100

I thought I replied to the OP malaise May 2019 #101

Yes. Your comment(s) incl this make points against the OP. Then you post that you agree 100% with OP Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #102

My only premise on this thread is that men are not always responsible for malaise May 2019 #104

Yes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #105

"Unwanted" on the man's part, "wanted" on the woman's part. lapucelle May 2019 #133

And what about all the sperm... zanana1 May 2019 #11

Sperm well-wasted. We're overpopulating the earth anyway. n/t Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #38

I wish the ACA had mandated coverage for vasectomies IronLionZion May 2019 #13

The untold truth is... 2naSalit May 2019 #17

For a substantial portion of men, sex is little more than masterbating into a woman's body. SunSeeker May 2019 #25

This truly needs to be mandatory reading for ANYONE who wishes to vote on an abortion law. kag May 2019 #16

Love this piece. I wish ever Republican would read it. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #22

We'd need to allocate a lot of additional funding HuskyOffset May 2019 #29

This is an excellent article. mountain grammy May 2019 #31

She's correct. My wife and I met in high school and always wanted 4 kids. After the 4th I had a Pepsidog May 2019 #32

That's my idea of a great guy lapucelle May 2019 #82

Thank You! Pepsidog May 2019 #90

I think women who have partners who support the craziness of repubs should go on sex-strike Perseus May 2019 #36

Yes. Anti-choice truly is about punishing women for the deeds of men. n/t Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #37

Good point. Nitram May 2019 #39

lol this again Loki Liesmith May 2019 #41

Uh huh lapucelle May 2019 #94

Isn't this just a reworking sarisataka May 2019 #42

Not at all. In fact, she points out that unlike men, women's orgasms don't impregnate anyone. SunSeeker May 2019 #46

Yet she does point out sarisataka May 2019 #52

Saying only male orgasms cause pregnancy is not saying sex is only for procreation. SunSeeker May 2019 #59

The sex is for procreation only sarisataka May 2019 #68

So lesbians don't have sex? nt SunSeeker May 2019 #81

Personally, I strongly suspect sarisataka May 2019 #84

"If the P didn't go in the V you didn't have sex". N/T lapucelle May 2019 #97

Men can have vasectomies. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #96

Pregnancy can easily occur without a male orgasm. nt zanana1 May 2019 #116

Not easily. It could occur from the pre-ejaculate fluid. Or harvested sperm. SunSeeker May 2019 #134

When a man thinks he "pulled out" in time... zanana1 May 2019 #143

Not just as plentiful, but enough. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #149

He can have a vasectomy. N/T lapucelle May 2019 #95

Actually, I think women orgasming during sex has been determined to help pregnancy occur. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #69

Hell, even a little wine "helps." But no woman gets pregnant without a man ejaculating. SunSeeker May 2019 #80

That does not make the man 100% responsible. And there are pregnancies without ejaculation. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #121

Well, no woman gets pregnant without sperm from a man. There is no emaculate conception. SunSeeker May 2019 #135

Yes. However doctrinaire 100 percenters sabotage your excellent last sentence. Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #141

Rick Wilson just said a great line on the Joy Reid Show Bernardo de La Paz May 2019 #71

So we get credit for 100% of the WANTED pregnancies too, right? FBaggins May 2019 #43

Yes. CousinIT May 2019 #55

LIttle Muffin mcar May 2019 #66

Pro-life is a myth. keithbvadu2 May 2019 #44

K&R smirkymonkey May 2019 #50

Posted here earlier: CousinIT May 2019 #53

it's misguided qazplm135 May 2019 #60

In anti-choice states child support should be increased Buckeyeblue May 2019 #70

It's why I am pro-vasectomy. roamer65 May 2019 #79

I'm glad she was able to solve this 10,000 year old mystery fescuerescue May 2019 #88

What 10,000 year old mystery? lapucelle May 2019 #89

That's part of the mystery! fescuerescue May 2019 #91

... lapucelle May 2019 #92

BS. democratisphere May 2019 #126

Mmmmm no. Nuggets May 2019 #127

Neither of the two incidents you bring up resulted in pregnancy. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #136

Are you Nuggets May 2019 #139

No. The article asserts that men cause unwanted pregnancies. SunSeeker May 2019 #140

Every Sperm is Sacred nycbos May 2019 #151

Dr. Strangelove - Precious Bodily Fluids lapucelle May 2019 #156

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