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Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
8. We are certainly not immune to fascism...
Mon Jun 17, 2019, 01:30 PM
Jun 2019

Some advantages we have/had over 1920s Germany:

We are older and have stronger and more well established institutions in place. The Weimar Republic was very new. Germany had a legislative body that had been in place since establishment in the 1870's. But the Kaiser still had significant real political power until the end of WWI. The Wermacht also had immense power and supported Hitler and the Nazis as RW power brokers. Germany also had the prototypical modern Military Industrial Complex.

Repubs have been eroding the institutions supporting our democracy for decades, as you have noticed. They deride it as the Deep State. The thing is, that deep state might be the only thing that can save us. How's that for irony?

I have no faith in Christianity. We do hear reports of more liberal minded Christians being on our side, but the more vocal ones are the authoritarians. With the exception of the Soviets, RW authoritarian regimes love their religions. The sheep look to the church for guidance and political leaders exploit that.

I personally know of no instance in history where a nation overcomes deep fascism from within and returns to real democracy. Fascist Spain survived until Franco died. His brand of fascism was perhaps slightly less brutal than Hitler, but not much. Generally, those countries have to be rescued from without. So we'd be looking at a Red Dawn scenario, I guess.

I still have hope, but it is fading.

America's slide into fascism [View all] cilla4progress Jun 2019 OP
It does not take much to turn some humans into monsters. BSdetect Jun 2019 #1
We came close zipplewrath Jun 2019 #2
Great concise exposition! cilla4progress Jun 2019 #4
Losers of the cultural "wars" zipplewrath Jun 2019 #6
They fit in exactly where the other conservatives do. Caliman73 Jun 2019 #7
Totally agree, I see this too. cilla4progress Jun 2019 #9
Only a "bit" though Caliman73 Jun 2019 #12
But isn't the alignment with fundamentalist xtianity new? cilla4progress Jun 2019 #13
I knew one who was a real right-wing bigot, very anti-immigrant sandensea Jun 2019 #18
"authoritarianism as the only way to retain control". Bingo! That really sums it up. Firestorm49 Jun 2019 #16
Fascism occurs in at least two stages. We've been awash in the first stage for decades. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2019 #17
This isn't the first time we have a brush with fascism or nationalist thuggery. Thomas Hurt Jun 2019 #3
But, also, wasn't there a relatively strong social worker's party? cilla4progress Jun 2019 #5
Woodrow Wilson and his horrific Espionage Act of 1917 and Sedition Act of 1918 helped end Celerity Jun 2019 #15
We are certainly not immune to fascism... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #8
Well, we certainly are a wholly owned subsidiary of cilla4progress Jun 2019 #10
"Are we any different?" The question had always fascinated me... Bonhomme Richard Jun 2019 #11
I have read something on this furum that is quite profound and thought provoking: Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #14
the only unique advantage the fascists have now is talk radio and all americans have to do certainot Jun 2019 #19
We Are Sliding Into A Recession Right Now DallasNE Jun 2019 #20
Reagan Started The Slide colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #21
Control is their goal Loge23 Jun 2019 #22
I became interested in the Holocaust when I was quite young lunatica Jun 2019 #23
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