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In reply to the discussion: I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore about the Assange case. [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)144. So, what are your credentials?
As opposed to, say, this lady:
The sole "Ur-Feminist" Helene Bergman from Radio Ellen of the 1980s once again reflects on the development she has seen. She asks: "How could the sexual and feminist revolution of the 1960s be turned into an oppressive apparatus of power in the 2000s, where our men and sons are portrayed as potential rapists and women as stupid little geese?"
Her own beginning of an answer describes what has taken place in Sweden:
"Free feminism was kidnapped at the end of the 1980s, was disarmed, renamed Gender Equality and incorporated in the power apparatus. Gender equality was elevated to state norm and ideology, and became a career ladder, not least in politics, bureacracy and the judiciary (...) Sex became gender and the target was no longer the partiarchal state apparatus but turned over to men as a sex and sexual beings."
Source: A Brief History of Swedish Sex: How the Nation that Gave Us Free Love Redefined Rape and Declared War on Julian Assange. Oscar Swartz, e-book publication, available at Amazon.
Her own beginning of an answer describes what has taken place in Sweden:
"Free feminism was kidnapped at the end of the 1980s, was disarmed, renamed Gender Equality and incorporated in the power apparatus. Gender equality was elevated to state norm and ideology, and became a career ladder, not least in politics, bureacracy and the judiciary (...) Sex became gender and the target was no longer the partiarchal state apparatus but turned over to men as a sex and sexual beings."
To The Swedish Ombudsmen for Justice (JO)
We most urgent require that the ombudsmen for justice investigates the Swedish handling of the case of Julian Assange, by the prosecutor Marianne Ny, Director of the Public Prosecution Authority Development Center in Gothenburg.
1. Mr. Assange could have been investigated by the Swedish police before he left the country on September 27, 2010, and with the knowledge of the prosecutor Marianne Ny. At that date Mr. Assange had been available for an interwiev during five weeks.
2. Since Mr. Assange arrived in London, he has on several occasions offered to give his own version of what happened in Stockholm in August 2010, at the Swedish embassy, or being questioned by video link.
3. In late July, Mr. Assange offered to talk to the Swedish prosecutor, now at the embassy of Ecuador, where he has asked for asylum.
The prosecutor, Ms. Ny has at all different occasions neglected or rejected Mr. Assanges proposals.
Between August 13, and August 16 Mr. Assange had consensual sex with two different women.
On August 20, 2010, the two women went to a local police station in Stockholm in order to urge Mr. Assange to undergo an HIV-test. At that point the police choosed to start an investigation about rape, without the consent of the two women.
On the same day a prosecutor decided to issue an arrest warrant for Mr. Assange. At the time the newspaper Expressen, headlined a front page article Assange accused of rape.
The next day another prosecutor decided that there was no reason for the warrant.
On August 30, interrogates Julian Assange for the first time by the Swedish police, and denies all allegations.
The day after the lawyer of the two women, Mr. Claes Borgström, who also was a former Swedish Ombudsman for equality, requested that the case should be reopened by the prosecutor in Gothenburg, Marianne Ny.
Julian Assange is now again accused of rape, molest, and sexual harassment.
Mr. Assange stayed in Sweden until September 27 for further questioning.
We are, like his lawyer, Mr. Baltasar Garzón, serious concerned, regarding the lack of safeguards and transparency with which actions are being taken against Julian Assange, and the harassment he is being subjected to which has irreparable effects on his physical and mental wellbeing.
The threats against his person are further aggravated by the complicit behavior of the Swedish governmental authorities. This has implied that Mr. Assanges civil rights, and his rights according to the European Convention have been violated.
Helene Bergman, journalist
Anders Carlgren, journalist
Helene Bergman has worked as a journalist for more than 40 years, mainly at the Swedish Broadcasting Corporation, which is the main public service company in Sweden. She co-founded and anchored the legendary Swedish feminist radio show, Radio Ellen.
http://khelenebergman.blogspot.de/
We most urgent require that the ombudsmen for justice investigates the Swedish handling of the case of Julian Assange, by the prosecutor Marianne Ny, Director of the Public Prosecution Authority Development Center in Gothenburg.
1. Mr. Assange could have been investigated by the Swedish police before he left the country on September 27, 2010, and with the knowledge of the prosecutor Marianne Ny. At that date Mr. Assange had been available for an interwiev during five weeks.
2. Since Mr. Assange arrived in London, he has on several occasions offered to give his own version of what happened in Stockholm in August 2010, at the Swedish embassy, or being questioned by video link.
3. In late July, Mr. Assange offered to talk to the Swedish prosecutor, now at the embassy of Ecuador, where he has asked for asylum.
The prosecutor, Ms. Ny has at all different occasions neglected or rejected Mr. Assanges proposals.
Between August 13, and August 16 Mr. Assange had consensual sex with two different women.
On August 20, 2010, the two women went to a local police station in Stockholm in order to urge Mr. Assange to undergo an HIV-test. At that point the police choosed to start an investigation about rape, without the consent of the two women.
On the same day a prosecutor decided to issue an arrest warrant for Mr. Assange. At the time the newspaper Expressen, headlined a front page article Assange accused of rape.
The next day another prosecutor decided that there was no reason for the warrant.
On August 30, interrogates Julian Assange for the first time by the Swedish police, and denies all allegations.
The day after the lawyer of the two women, Mr. Claes Borgström, who also was a former Swedish Ombudsman for equality, requested that the case should be reopened by the prosecutor in Gothenburg, Marianne Ny.
Julian Assange is now again accused of rape, molest, and sexual harassment.
Mr. Assange stayed in Sweden until September 27 for further questioning.
We are, like his lawyer, Mr. Baltasar Garzón, serious concerned, regarding the lack of safeguards and transparency with which actions are being taken against Julian Assange, and the harassment he is being subjected to which has irreparable effects on his physical and mental wellbeing.
The threats against his person are further aggravated by the complicit behavior of the Swedish governmental authorities. This has implied that Mr. Assanges civil rights, and his rights according to the European Convention have been violated.
Helene Bergman, journalist
Anders Carlgren, journalist
Helene Bergman has worked as a journalist for more than 40 years, mainly at the Swedish Broadcasting Corporation, which is the main public service company in Sweden. She co-founded and anchored the legendary Swedish feminist radio show, Radio Ellen.
http://khelenebergman.blogspot.de/
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I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore about the Assange case. [View all]
Odin2005
Aug 2012
OP
The Swedish criminal process is not the same as the process in the UK
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#43
The Swedish investigation into the Assange matter has reached the point at which the authorities
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#105
The worse thing that could happen to the Assange apologists at this point
Nuclear Unicorn
Aug 2012
#134
"... It's embarrassing to say so, given that even a single man, as I was, is liable
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#110
What part of 'support whistle blowing and Wikileaks' do you choose to not read?
randome
Aug 2012
#55
Good grief. Blowing the whistle involves breaking some rules, violating some
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#86
Do you know of evidence that Assange "talked" Manning into providing the documents?
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#97
Wow, just wow! Not only do you use unsubstantiated accusation about Assange's involvement
idwiyo
Aug 2012
#98
Assange in February 2011 said the BoA stuff just wasn't interesting:
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#111
UK protected Pinochet from extradition. Assange not charged w/any crime
WillYourVoteBCounted
Aug 2012
#12
WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to Us
WillYourVoteBCounted
Aug 2012
#13
I appologize. My statement wasnt polite. I have periods of frustration. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#44
And some would argue that conservatives shouldnt be allowed on progressive boards
rhett o rick
Aug 2012
#54
My favorite part of this: Wikileaks unearthed that the Tunisians were 1st in arab world to oust
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2012
#32
i agree, i haven't waded off into the assange business here until today
arely staircase
Aug 2012
#19
no wikileaks released what they thought were steve job's medical records
arely staircase
Aug 2012
#34
I believe it is misogynistic to assume that women, unlike men, can never be wrong.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#63
This is not the reason for the doubts about these women's testimony. The doubts arise from
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#81
I think a good starting point for a rape victim is them saying "i was raped"
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2012
#66
they can't make such a promise since it would go against international law
Bodhi BloodWave
Aug 2012
#103
International law is guided by the specific treaty between the US and Sweden...
AntiFascist
Aug 2012
#108
why request a promise for something that goes against the treaty by its own words?
Bodhi BloodWave
Aug 2012
#115
I'm sure everyone accused of a crime would like a 'Get Out Of Jail Free' card for any other crimes.
randome
Aug 2012
#85
And Bush and Cheney enjoy their retirement although they started the War in Iraq on a pretext
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#101
"right after he threatened to publish some stuff that would make the Banksters look bad"
NCTraveler
Aug 2012
#120
The actions of the governments involved make no sense in historical context
TheKentuckian
Aug 2012
#132