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StarfishSaver

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49. People often have opinions and feelings that wouldn't make it into the Democratic platform.

Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:51 PM

Dec 2019

I know I do. You probably do, too. And people express such opinions on this board all the time.

Maybe instead of criticizing and judging his feelings and lecturing him about it what he should and shouldn't say about them, you could pay attention to what he's saying and try to understand where he's coming from. His point of view is not unusual and it's not unwarranted.

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Damon Young, [theroot]"I will never forgive white people for Donald Trump" [View all] RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2019 OP

Most (not all) white people I've met in my 74 years of life as a Black Man Nature Man Dec 2019 #1

Sometimes we have to begin associating with a better class of people! I've met people of all abqtommy Dec 2019 #4

What signifies a "better class of people?" Nature Man Dec 2019 #5

I've met people from all ethinic groups who aren't racists. That's the "better class of people" abqtommy Dec 2019 #9

I dig what you're saying, Nature Man Dec 2019 #10

Well, our realities don't have to be the same. We can still dislike racists and racism. abqtommy Dec 2019 #17

And what constitutes "associating"? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #37

I think we all have choices to make. For me it's important not to limit my associations but to abqtommy Dec 2019 #79

Black people don't have the right to choose the race... Marengo Dec 2019 #87

I'm sure black people wish they had a choice MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #78

As a 47 year old white man, I agree with you Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #8

perhaps the next election will be a better measure Skittles Dec 2019 #45

Hey Johnny, I appreciate your truth-telling. It means a lot. Anon-C Dec 2019 #81

We live in a white supremacy. We're all soaking in it and if we don't unlearn it, we reinforce it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #13

Oh boy, statements like that will earn you quite the fan club around here. Marengo Dec 2019 #18

Never once signed up to win a popularity contest . . . Nature Man Dec 2019 #24

Good on you. tazkcmo Dec 2019 #41

AMEN Nature Man Dec 2019 #53

Yes, well, Damon Young just outed himself. Hortensis Dec 2019 #36

And 54% seems low since we know 65% of white males and 53%... brush Dec 2019 #51

As a 62 SWM, I would agree with that. MicaelS Dec 2019 #106

well, that's helpful. How about we just focus on ending this travesty for EVERYONE's sake...? hlthe2b Dec 2019 #2

Neither will I and I'm white. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #3

Me too. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #7

Exactly what I said down thread wryter2000 Dec 2019 #59

Me, too. Started cutting white people out of my life. MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #80

I haven't had to do that wryter2000 Dec 2019 #89

Same with me - Pittsburgh is very blue; most of Allegheny County is blue FakeNoose Dec 2019 #108

You're so right wryter2000 Dec 2019 #109

I remember the moment that it became clear that Trump was going to become president. Blue_true Dec 2019 #70

I knew it would be horrendous and it's been exponentially worse. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #71

I'm like you StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #82

I guess I was naive to think there were patriots on the right that would step in onecaliberal Dec 2019 #83

That's where I misjudged this StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #84

Easy solution. Drown then out at the voting booth with non-white voters ala 2008 & 2012 ffr Dec 2019 #6

+1000 hlthe2b Dec 2019 #11

I'll cop to unearned privilege, I'll cop to ignorance of the black experience, but no. I had Squinch Dec 2019 #12

Yup TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #15

Yes, this Baked Potato Dec 2019 #30

And Russia is still doing it Cetacea Dec 2019 #58

This is from The Root JonLP24 Dec 2019 #62

Part of their success on social media TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #86

Yes, this Brawndo Dec 2019 #90

Exactly. DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #21

Nice distraction of a post FrankBooth Dec 2019 #14

Distraction or inconvenient truth? Nature Man Dec 2019 #23

Distraction. FrankBooth Dec 2019 #34

Sometimes inconvenient truths are seen as distractions by people not comfortable with them StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #39

But more often FrankBooth Dec 2019 #47

People often have opinions and feelings that wouldn't make it into the Democratic platform. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #49

Maybe you should think through what a statement like that actually means for the party FrankBooth Dec 2019 #54

I sincerely doubt a comment made by someone on DU is going to have much impact on the election StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #60

As is yours FrankBooth Dec 2019 #65

But you didn't say you had a contrary opinion. You told him he shouldn't express his opinion at all StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #68

Will this affect your voting in the upcoming election? Caliman73 Dec 2019 #63

Why did Putin and his troll army push these messages in 2016? FrankBooth Dec 2019 #66

The thing is don't give Russia any material JonLP24 Dec 2019 #67

Maybe he thought White people were defensive and would be offended? Caliman73 Dec 2019 #85

Yes, It is whathehell Dec 2019 #35

Yeah. This is the form of the racial discussion Putin wants us to have. nt coti Dec 2019 #52

I don't see how this is helpful DrToast Dec 2019 #16

It's not helpful whathehell Dec 2019 #31

Not all Trump supporters are racists, but... TruckFump Dec 2019 #19

Nope. All trump supporters ARE racists. Voting for trump was a racist act. They knew what Squinch Dec 2019 #25

What about the 8 Million who voted for Obama and then for Trump? whathehell Dec 2019 #91

Kay. Did you think they didn't know Trump was a racist when they voted for him? Squinch Dec 2019 #92

Maybe you could try to answer my question first.. whathehell Dec 2019 #95

But I did answer the question. Whether they voted for Obama or not, they subsequently went on Squinch Dec 2019 #97

No, I'm sorry, I don't believe those 8 million voters suddenly turned "racist" whathehell Dec 2019 #98

OK. You don't believe people who performed a blatantly racist act are racists. Squinch Dec 2019 #99

Okay, and you believe the 13 % percent of black men & 38% of Hispanics whathehell Dec 2019 #100

Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that the women who voted for trump are not sexist? Squinch Dec 2019 #102

I have no idea.. whathehell Dec 2019 #107

Just because you voted for a black man doesn't mean you're not racist. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #101

No, I don't believe racists would vote for the first Black President whathehell Dec 2019 #105

Why not? Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #120

"Why not"? whathehell Dec 2019 #123

I was reading The Forgotten about an Obama-Trump county Lucerne JonLP24 Dec 2019 #111

One excerpt from one book about one county.. whathehell Dec 2019 #114

Unfortunately I read more than one except JonLP24 Dec 2019 #115

Unfortunately, you listed only one excerpt from one book whathehell Dec 2019 #116

I told you I had to put it down because a lot of their reasons were racist reasons JonLP24 Dec 2019 #117

Then find another book or report covering more than whathehell Dec 2019 #118

I bought the book because unlike a lot of reporters JonLP24 Dec 2019 #119

Again, you don't seem to be getting it -- I'm not criticizing the study itself whathehell Dec 2019 #124

A study showed that yes, that was basically about race and immigration muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #121

Voting for Obama was "basically about race and immigration"? whathehell Dec 2019 #122

Fine, you don't buy it, but it's what the analysis showed. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #125

It's what ONE analysis showed.. whathehell Dec 2019 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #20

AMEN Nature Man Dec 2019 #22

What was the content of that post you wholeheartedly endorsed? Marengo Dec 2019 #75

Makes two of us mahina Dec 2019 #26

Not to disparage the point made... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #27

Ahh, the generalizations... Baked Potato Dec 2019 #28

Trump is the pinnacle of whiteness as a power structure ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #29

The hell he is... whathehell Dec 2019 #32

Sure he is ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #33

Nah whathehell Dec 2019 #38

Colonialism? ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #42

Nope. whathehell Dec 2019 #46

he is in many ways the epitome of white power. unblock Dec 2019 #40

I agree. ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #43

Sorry, I don't agree. Virtually all of his power is based whathehell Dec 2019 #44

Tell me with a straight face Nature Man Dec 2019 #48

Or Bob Johnson StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #50

Not a nano second, but neither would Bill Clinton whathehell Dec 2019 #61

Clinton got away with far more than Obama could have gotten away with StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #64

He ticks all the boxes. Rich is certainly one of them unblock Dec 2019 #69

I do not forgive the white people that voted and or support that man. Afromania Dec 2019 #55

I agree with this wholeheartedly- the people who voted for him. In fact, I say it to myself coti Dec 2019 #57

I'm not going to forgive them, either wryter2000 Dec 2019 #56

There's a massive voter purge going on in Wisconsin... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #72

Posting on DU isn't any more activism than Twitter & social media since those are more popular JonLP24 Dec 2019 #73

The sooner white people are a minority in this country the better it will be for all people jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #74

... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #112

Your forgiveness is not required, Mr Young. Nor is it sought. Bok_Tukalo Dec 2019 #76

excuuuuuse me??? Im white and i would NEVER vote for trump or any repug ever..... samnsara Dec 2019 #77

At least two of my black neighbors support the shitstain. cwydro Dec 2019 #88

13 % percent of Black men voted for Trump, us many in whathehell Dec 2019 #93

I know, and that bothers me. cwydro Dec 2019 #94

Who knows? whathehell Dec 2019 #96

I agree with you. cwydro Dec 2019 #104

Gotta love the rubles XRubicon Dec 2019 #103

The problem was white evangelicals. White non-evangelicals favoured Clinton (just) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #110

That's why there was a whiff of panic in Fat Nixon's tweet... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #113

I find this type article divisive and useless. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #127

I hear you. Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #128