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JonLP24

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119. I bought the book because unlike a lot of reporters
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:45 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:32 AM - Edit history (3)

He actually talked people in that county. Same way Farenheit 11/9 explains why there was huge turnout gaps in Flint.

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After learning that Donald Trump had been elected president, some folks cried. Sought refuge in the Bible. Comforted frightened children. Or steeled themselves for life under a president who has retweeted white supremacists, promised to increase stop-and-frisk policing in poor black neighborhoods, falsely connected Mexican immigrants to crime, and launched his political brand by attacking the legitimacy of the first black president’s birth certificate. Plenty of white Hillary Clinton supporters also felt strong emotions after Trump’s victory. But his track record on race seemed to make his triumph cut deeper and feel more personal to many African-Americans.

One sentiment rang loudest in many African-American hearts and minds: The election shows where we really stand. Now the truth is plain to see, many said – the truth about how an uncomfortable percentage of white people view the concerns and lives of their black fellow citizens.

“Transparency is the order of the day. Now we see what was hidden,” said Melvin Steals, a retired teacher and principal who lives in the western Pennsylvania town of Baden. Fifty-seven percent of his county, a mix of rural areas and hollowed-out towns, voted for Trump.

“It’s like the era after Reconstruction all over again, when they wanted to eradicate all of the gains made by blacks after the Civil War,” Steals said. After the war that ended slavery, an activist federal government helped the South’s newly freed African-Americans gain a toehold in society and elected offices before a racist backlash firmly restored white supremacy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theundefeated.com/features/african-americans-see-painful-truths-in-trump-victory/amp/

With the combination of Trump's own rhetoric & policies, the fact white people including 52% of white women voted for Trump, the rhetoric from conservatives, so many other things I can conclude a lot of the reasons why someone would vote for racist Trump is because they are racist.

A new study reveals the real reason Obama voters switched to Trump
Hint: It has to do with race.

One of the most puzzling elements of the 2016 election, at least for a lot of Americans, was the millions of voters who switched from voting for Barack Obama in 2012 to Donald Trump in 2016. Somewhere between 6.7 million and 9.2 million Americans switched this way; given that the 2016 election was decided by 40,000 votes, it’s fair to say that Obama-Trump switchers were one of the key reasons that Hillary Clinton lost.

The existence of those voters has served as evidence that the most plausible explanation for what happened in 2016 — that Trump’s campaign tapped into the racism of white Americans to win pivotal states — is wrong. “How could white Americans who voted for a black president in the past be racist,” or so the thinking goes.

“Clinton suffered her biggest losses in the places where Obama was strongest among white voters. It’s not a simple racism story,” the New York Times’s Nate Cohn wrote on the night of the election. This typically segues into an argument that Trump won by tapping into economic, rather than racial, anxiety — anger about trade and the decline of manufacturing, or the fallout from the 2008 Great Recession.

A new study shows that this response isn’t as powerful as it may seem. The study, from three political scientists from around the country, takes a statistical look at a large sample of Obama-Trump switchers. It finds that these voters tended to score highly on measures of racial hostility and xenophobia — and were not especially likely to be suffering economically.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

Who could have possibly guessed racism or xenophobia were why they switched to Trump?

Most (not all) white people I've met in my 74 years of life as a Black Man Nature Man Dec 2019 #1
Sometimes we have to begin associating with a better class of people! I've met people of all abqtommy Dec 2019 #4
What signifies a "better class of people?" Nature Man Dec 2019 #5
I've met people from all ethinic groups who aren't racists. That's the "better class of people" abqtommy Dec 2019 #9
I dig what you're saying, Nature Man Dec 2019 #10
Well, our realities don't have to be the same. We can still dislike racists and racism. abqtommy Dec 2019 #17
And what constitutes "associating"? StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #37
I think we all have choices to make. For me it's important not to limit my associations but to abqtommy Dec 2019 #79
Black people don't have the right to choose the race... Marengo Dec 2019 #87
I'm sure black people wish they had a choice MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #78
As a 47 year old white man, I agree with you Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #8
perhaps the next election will be a better measure Skittles Dec 2019 #45
Hey Johnny, I appreciate your truth-telling. It means a lot. Anon-C Dec 2019 #81
We live in a white supremacy. We're all soaking in it and if we don't unlearn it, we reinforce it. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #13
Oh boy, statements like that will earn you quite the fan club around here. Marengo Dec 2019 #18
Never once signed up to win a popularity contest . . . Nature Man Dec 2019 #24
Good on you. tazkcmo Dec 2019 #41
AMEN Nature Man Dec 2019 #53
Yes, well, Damon Young just outed himself. Hortensis Dec 2019 #36
And 54% seems low since we know 65% of white males and 53%... brush Dec 2019 #51
As a 62 SWM, I would agree with that. MicaelS Dec 2019 #106
well, that's helpful. How about we just focus on ending this travesty for EVERYONE's sake...? hlthe2b Dec 2019 #2
Neither will I and I'm white. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #3
Me too. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #7
Exactly what I said down thread wryter2000 Dec 2019 #59
Me, too. Started cutting white people out of my life. MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #80
I haven't had to do that wryter2000 Dec 2019 #89
Same with me - Pittsburgh is very blue; most of Allegheny County is blue FakeNoose Dec 2019 #108
You're so right wryter2000 Dec 2019 #109
I remember the moment that it became clear that Trump was going to become president. Blue_true Dec 2019 #70
I knew it would be horrendous and it's been exponentially worse. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #71
I'm like you StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #82
I guess I was naive to think there were patriots on the right that would step in onecaliberal Dec 2019 #83
That's where I misjudged this StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #84
Easy solution. Drown then out at the voting booth with non-white voters ala 2008 & 2012 ffr Dec 2019 #6
+1000 hlthe2b Dec 2019 #11
I'll cop to unearned privilege, I'll cop to ignorance of the black experience, but no. I had Squinch Dec 2019 #12
Yup TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #15
Yes, this Baked Potato Dec 2019 #30
And Russia is still doing it Cetacea Dec 2019 #58
This is from The Root JonLP24 Dec 2019 #62
Part of their success on social media TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #86
Yes, this Brawndo Dec 2019 #90
Exactly. DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #21
Nice distraction of a post FrankBooth Dec 2019 #14
Distraction or inconvenient truth? Nature Man Dec 2019 #23
Distraction. FrankBooth Dec 2019 #34
Sometimes inconvenient truths are seen as distractions by people not comfortable with them StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #39
But more often FrankBooth Dec 2019 #47
People often have opinions and feelings that wouldn't make it into the Democratic platform. StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #49
Maybe you should think through what a statement like that actually means for the party FrankBooth Dec 2019 #54
I sincerely doubt a comment made by someone on DU is going to have much impact on the election StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #60
As is yours FrankBooth Dec 2019 #65
But you didn't say you had a contrary opinion. You told him he shouldn't express his opinion at all StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #68
Will this affect your voting in the upcoming election? Caliman73 Dec 2019 #63
Why did Putin and his troll army push these messages in 2016? FrankBooth Dec 2019 #66
The thing is don't give Russia any material JonLP24 Dec 2019 #67
Maybe he thought White people were defensive and would be offended? Caliman73 Dec 2019 #85
Yes, It is whathehell Dec 2019 #35
Yeah. This is the form of the racial discussion Putin wants us to have. nt coti Dec 2019 #52
I don't see how this is helpful DrToast Dec 2019 #16
It's not helpful whathehell Dec 2019 #31
Not all Trump supporters are racists, but... TruckFump Dec 2019 #19
Nope. All trump supporters ARE racists. Voting for trump was a racist act. They knew what Squinch Dec 2019 #25
What about the 8 Million who voted for Obama and then for Trump? whathehell Dec 2019 #91
Kay. Did you think they didn't know Trump was a racist when they voted for him? Squinch Dec 2019 #92
Maybe you could try to answer my question first.. whathehell Dec 2019 #95
But I did answer the question. Whether they voted for Obama or not, they subsequently went on Squinch Dec 2019 #97
No, I'm sorry, I don't believe those 8 million voters suddenly turned "racist" whathehell Dec 2019 #98
OK. You don't believe people who performed a blatantly racist act are racists. Squinch Dec 2019 #99
Okay, and you believe the 13 % percent of black men & 38% of Hispanics whathehell Dec 2019 #100
Just out of curiosity, do you also believe that the women who voted for trump are not sexist? Squinch Dec 2019 #102
I have no idea.. whathehell Dec 2019 #107
Just because you voted for a black man doesn't mean you're not racist. Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #101
No, I don't believe racists would vote for the first Black President whathehell Dec 2019 #105
Why not? Drunken Irishman Dec 2019 #120
"Why not"? whathehell Dec 2019 #123
I was reading The Forgotten about an Obama-Trump county Lucerne JonLP24 Dec 2019 #111
One excerpt from one book about one county.. whathehell Dec 2019 #114
Unfortunately I read more than one except JonLP24 Dec 2019 #115
Unfortunately, you listed only one excerpt from one book whathehell Dec 2019 #116
I told you I had to put it down because a lot of their reasons were racist reasons JonLP24 Dec 2019 #117
Then find another book or report covering more than whathehell Dec 2019 #118
I bought the book because unlike a lot of reporters JonLP24 Dec 2019 #119
Again, you don't seem to be getting it -- I'm not criticizing the study itself whathehell Dec 2019 #124
A study showed that yes, that was basically about race and immigration muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #121
Voting for Obama was "basically about race and immigration"? whathehell Dec 2019 #122
Fine, you don't buy it, but it's what the analysis showed. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #125
It's what ONE analysis showed.. whathehell Dec 2019 #126
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #20
AMEN Nature Man Dec 2019 #22
What was the content of that post you wholeheartedly endorsed? Marengo Dec 2019 #75
Makes two of us mahina Dec 2019 #26
Not to disparage the point made... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #27
Ahh, the generalizations... Baked Potato Dec 2019 #28
Trump is the pinnacle of whiteness as a power structure ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #29
The hell he is... whathehell Dec 2019 #32
Sure he is ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #33
Nah whathehell Dec 2019 #38
Colonialism? ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #42
Nope. whathehell Dec 2019 #46
he is in many ways the epitome of white power. unblock Dec 2019 #40
I agree. ismnotwasm Dec 2019 #43
Sorry, I don't agree. Virtually all of his power is based whathehell Dec 2019 #44
Tell me with a straight face Nature Man Dec 2019 #48
Or Bob Johnson StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #50
Not a nano second, but neither would Bill Clinton whathehell Dec 2019 #61
Clinton got away with far more than Obama could have gotten away with StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #64
He ticks all the boxes. Rich is certainly one of them unblock Dec 2019 #69
I do not forgive the white people that voted and or support that man. Afromania Dec 2019 #55
I agree with this wholeheartedly- the people who voted for him. In fact, I say it to myself coti Dec 2019 #57
I'm not going to forgive them, either wryter2000 Dec 2019 #56
There's a massive voter purge going on in Wisconsin... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #72
Posting on DU isn't any more activism than Twitter & social media since those are more popular JonLP24 Dec 2019 #73
The sooner white people are a minority in this country the better it will be for all people jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #74
... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #112
Your forgiveness is not required, Mr Young. Nor is it sought. Bok_Tukalo Dec 2019 #76
excuuuuuse me??? Im white and i would NEVER vote for trump or any repug ever..... samnsara Dec 2019 #77
At least two of my black neighbors support the shitstain. cwydro Dec 2019 #88
13 % percent of Black men voted for Trump, us many in whathehell Dec 2019 #93
I know, and that bothers me. cwydro Dec 2019 #94
Who knows? whathehell Dec 2019 #96
I agree with you. cwydro Dec 2019 #104
Gotta love the rubles XRubicon Dec 2019 #103
The problem was white evangelicals. White non-evangelicals favoured Clinton (just) muriel_volestrangler Dec 2019 #110
That's why there was a whiff of panic in Fat Nixon's tweet... SMC22307 Dec 2019 #113
I find this type article divisive and useless. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #127
I hear you. Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #128
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