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PatrickforO

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25. But the ethical dilemma I'm talking about is this:
Sat Mar 21, 2020, 01:16 AM
Mar 2020

Would more people die or become ill if Fauci and Birx followed their own lights, resigned in protest and left Trump, or if they stayed and tried to do what they could?

I agree with you it is a devil's choice. For sure.

I mean, maybe you're right - if they all left Trump hanging, maybe he'd become increasingly irrelevant until no one really noticed him anymore. And that would be really good at any time.

BUT, the power to mobilize American industry to build ventilators, masks and think ahead to what they'll need in future like inhalers and other medicines, as well as keeping the distribution system up and running in crisis mode lies with the president. And, to our horrible misfortune, that is Trump.

So, if Fauci told Trump to pee up a rope and left him, who would influence Trump to move forward implementing his 'wartime' powers? Would Trump do it by himself? And how many more will die if Fauci does leave him and he does nothing?

As I say, these are very difficult ethical issues - this is not black and white. There are many shades of gray here.

Now, to counter my argument, you might bring up Albert Speer, who tried to smooth out Hitler's insanity in the latter years of the Third Reich, and actually saved Paris by ignoring Hitler's orders to burn it to cinders. Because Hitler did order that, and Speer did ignore him. But Speer was still sentenced to 20 years, which he served in its entirety in Spandau Prison.

I say this because Trump IS a criminal and does need to be removed from office, charged and tried for his crimes against humanity. There's no doubt.

But, again, if Fauci and Birx simply quit, how many more will die than if they did not?

Everything Trump touches dies (n/t) PJMcK Mar 2020 #1
Boy, does THAT have new meaning. NCDem47 Mar 2020 #2
Someone put that very slant to Rick during the week. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #30
Let real counties do the medical research. Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #3
People in Tijuana are buying up the malaria drug - Trump is dangerous. nt AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2020 #4
We all need the Trump base to accept the advice of Fauci and Birx. It's most easily... LAS14 Mar 2020 #5
I think Fauci and Birx feel the same way, that's probably why they're still doing their jobs. sop Mar 2020 #8
They have a term for that atreides1 Mar 2020 #10
This is what I've come to call the Trump dilemma kurtcagle Mar 2020 #28
+1000 It's inevitable. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #31
Examples: UpInArms Mar 2020 #33
I don't think they have the faintest hope of changing Trump. I think what they.. LAS14 Mar 2020 #39
Excellent analysis sammythecat Mar 2020 #43
I'm afraid too many Trump followers see what they want to see. Eugene Mar 2020 #32
Just an FYI Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #6
Some people are allergic to quinine so burrowowl Mar 2020 #9
Better yet - don't start, Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #11
Gmta, I'm glad to read others are saying this too. uppityperson Mar 2020 #7
Just read a post that people in Lagos, Nigeria are being poisoned Enoki33 Mar 2020 #12
I don't believe these doctors are endorsing trump's insanity Poiuyt Mar 2020 #13
Agree. It will be worse if they resign and Trump would then.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #15
Totally agree. I find this anger at Fauci really, really depressing. nt LAS14 Mar 2020 #16
Birx seemed to be on Trump's team willingly the day she said the WHO applegrove Mar 2020 #14
Excuse me, Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #18
He was stifleling a laugh. applegrove Mar 2020 #19
Do you personally know Tony Fauci ? Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #20
I don't believe for a second that Fauci finds any of this in the least funny. cwydro Mar 2020 #21
I don't think it was bad... it was dark humour. That happens in the trenches. applegrove Mar 2020 #22
nordenbluejay nordenbluejay Mar 2020 #54
after trump said those magic words: "deep state" orleans Mar 2020 #49
Exact description. Saw that moment too. Was the "deep state" comment. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #51
This is a hard thing. Ethically each must consider the following: PatrickforO Mar 2020 #17
He is not checkable. Don't we know that by now? Raven Mar 2020 #23
But the ethical dilemma I'm talking about is this: PatrickforO Mar 2020 #25
You have it exactly...Albert Speer, the handsome, well respected Natzi who Raven Mar 2020 #29
Try to stand in their shoes. Blue_true Mar 2020 #24
Thank you. Facts are what matters right now. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #45
If trump does not listen to them it makes no diiference. drray23 Mar 2020 #46
Plus, Trump has that thing that Kushner is leading. Blue_true Mar 2020 #47
Perhaps they can do more good MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #26
Perhaps at tomorrow's press conference, reporters should ask Fauci if he thinks it's dangerous flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #27
Doctors take the Hippocratic oath Harker Mar 2020 #35
Sounds like a meme that needs to get out there! flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #37
I don't know that I've ever Harker Mar 2020 #38
Someone needs to investigate Trump's possible connection to Rising Pharmaceuticals, sop Mar 2020 #34
If they resign, they will no longer have a prominent platform from which to communicate to the Nitram Mar 2020 #36
I totally agree. And it's nuts to think they're there because they can change Trump, himself. nt LAS14 Mar 2020 #40
Not true. They can work with the governors. drray23 Mar 2020 #48
I hope there i some of that drug left for me Nictuku Mar 2020 #41
Fauxi has already sold his soul by giving Trump cover and repeating his lies. Coventina Mar 2020 #42
No. We need competent people in place. As long as they dont lie like trump oldsoftie Mar 2020 #44
Fauci and Birx have both disappeared kurtcagle Mar 2020 #50
Both of them should reveal "I'm with stupid" shirts... Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2020 #52
'Real estate SCAM developer' empedocles Mar 2020 #53
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