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JonLP24

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52. Taliban is different than overall Islam
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jun 2020

Saudi Arabia officially supported the Taliban in the 90s until 9/11. The Saudi government is a wahabbi government. Wahabbism is an ultraconservative orthodox sect and it was created in the 1700s and they fought several wars with the Ottoman Empire. They were backed by the British maybe at the very beginning if this book is accurate. Originally published in the same time period.

Mr. Hempher
Confessions of a British Spy

Description
Hempher, only one of the thousands of male and female agents employed and sent forth to all countries by this ministry, entrapped a person named Muhammad of Najd in Basra, misled him for several years, and caused him to establish the sect called Wahhâbî in 1125 [1713 A.D.]. They announced this sect in 1150. Hempher is a British missioner who was assigned the task of carrying on espionage activities in Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Hidjaz and in Istanbul, the center of the (Islamic) caliphate, misleading Muslims and serving Christianity, by means of the Ministry of British Commonwealth of Nations.

https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-British-Spy-Mr-Hempher/dp/1910220159

Wahabbi War

The Wahhabi War or Ottoman-Saudi War (Turkish: Osmanlı-Suudi Savaşları, Arabic: الحرب العثمانية السعودية‎ was fought from early 1811 to 1818, between Egypt Eyalet under the reign of Muhammad Ali Pasha (nominally under Ottoman rule) and the army of the Emirate of Diriyah, the First Saudi State, resulting in the destruction of the latter.

The Wahhabi movement is a reformist revivalist movement within Islam founded by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab that would lead to creation of the Emirate of Diriyah as he and Muhammad bin Saud launched their campaign to reform Islam and consolidate power in Arabia from their power-base, and its eventual crushing by the Ottoman Empire's Egyptian khedive Muhammad Ali of Egypt.

In 1802 12,000 Wahhabis sacked Karbala in Iraq killing up to 5,000 people and plundering the Imam Husayn Shrine.[2] By 1805, the Wahhabis controlled Mecca and Medina.[2] The Wahhabis also attacked Ottoman trade caravans which interrupted the Ottoman finances.[3] The Saudi amir denounced the Ottoman sultan and called into question the validity of his claim to be caliph and guardian of the sanctuaries of the Hejaz[4] and the Ottoman Empire, suspicious of the ambitious Muhammad Ali, instructed him to fight the Wahhabis, as the defeat of either would be beneficial to them.[3] Tensions between Muhammad Ali and his Albanian troops also prompted him to send them to Arabia and fight against the Wahhabi movement where many died.[5]

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Aftermath Edit
Most of the political leaders were treated well but the Ottomans were far harsher with the religious leaders that inspired the Wahhabi movement, executing Sulayman ibn Abd Allah and other religious notables, as they were thought to be uncompromising in their beliefs and therefore a much bigger threat than political leaders. The execution also reflects the Ottoman resentment of the Wahhabist views.[4]

This war had formed the basic hatred against the Wahhabi ideology among the Ottomans, and it continued to influence even modern Turkey when Turkish Islamic preachers consider Wahhabism to be non-Islam; virtually Turkish population is anti-Wahhabism. For the Saudis, who would form the nation a century later, the Saudis considered it as the first struggle for independence from the oppressive Ottoman Empire, and the current state of relationship between Saudi Arabia and Turkey is still influenced by this hostile past, whereas systematic campaign by the Saudis to rewrite the Ottoman past was denounced in Turkey.[6][7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi_War

The Ottoman Empire fought "terrorists" long before the US did.

When Saudi Arabia was first starting out they opposed the Hajj even though it was one of 5 pillars of Islam but they knew they couldn't remain credible in the region if they banned it so they regulate it.

I think about that a lot during these statue-tearing times soothsayer Jun 2020 #1
I don't. Those were world heritages tragically destroyed. Hortensis Jun 2020 #51
+1 Deliberate symbols of evil need not hold a special place in our hearts. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #55
It was outrageous. Jeebo Jun 2020 #2
Don't think those statues could be moved Zorro Jun 2020 #6
ISIS et al. didn't just destroy them. Igel Jun 2020 #65
You're really worked up about the statues, aren't you? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #3
No. Not really. kentuck Jun 2020 #13
Winning the election has little to do with statues. 2naSalit Jun 2020 #15
LOL StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #16
+1 fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #14
Removing and destroying are not the same thing, lapucelle Jun 2020 #39
Just as Buddhist statutes and Confederate monuments aren't the same thing StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #46
You seem to be a tad worked up about them too. cwydro Jun 2020 #56
Actually, I'm not StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #60
I'm observant, and you have numerous replies on this thread. cwydro Jun 2020 #61
It never occurred to me that aeplying to a thread is a sign of being "worked up," but StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #64
Really? cwydro Jun 2020 #68
Yes, I do... Newest Reality Jun 2020 #4
I understand now. Mike 03 Jun 2020 #33
Ah! Be Well! Newest Reality Jun 2020 #43
Yes. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #5
I remember when the statue of .. stillcool Jun 2020 #7
Iraq lost lots of icons and historical records after the 2003 invasion. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #17
I remember ... stillcool Jun 2020 #30
If this is related to the current statue toppling then this... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #8
It's good that you can separate the two issues. kentuck Jun 2020 #20
So why the interest in what the Taliban did almost 20 years ago? Caliman73 Jun 2020 #40
I was hoping to provoke thought. kentuck Jun 2020 #53
Statues of people are not people; statues of bad people are symbols of current repression lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #57
My guess would be that there are many that would disagree with you? kentuck Jun 2020 #63
People here in the US don't understand the ideology of groups like the Taliban JonLP24 Jun 2020 #44
Taliban is different than overall Islam JonLP24 Jun 2020 #52
I was devastated at losing ancient art. dhol82 Jun 2020 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #10
Thank you StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #18
+1 Nevilledog Jun 2020 #28
Destroying statues promoting peace and enlightenment is not ok SoonerPride Jun 2020 #11
I was kind of shocked and saddened by the destruction. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #12
Confederate statutes aren't "cultural icons" and bear no comparison to Buddhist statutes StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #19
Oh, please do not misunderstand me. I'm sorry, that was not my intent. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author morillon Jun 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author cayugafalls Jun 2020 #34
I updated my post to specifically state that confederate statues are not cultural icons. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #25
Thanks for the clarification StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #31
Of course, thank you for bringing it to my attention. cayugafalls Jun 2020 #36
Thanks for the clarification n/t morillon Jun 2020 #38
In addition to the false comparisons packman Jun 2020 #22
This didn't go well last try lunasun Jun 2020 #24
What the fuck is this shit right here. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #26
I'm trying to wrap my head around comparing 2,000 yr old statues of a peaceful person ... marble falls Jun 2020 #27
BIG difference between a Buddha statue and a Confederate statue. Doreen Jun 2020 #29
How about a US Grant statue? A Gandhi statue? Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #41
Shaun King wants to remove white Jesus statues JonLP24 Jun 2020 #45
Yes, I do remember Hekate Jun 2020 #32
I think TheFarseer Jun 2020 #35
are you saying the Confederacy superfans are a religious cult? eShirl Jun 2020 #37
It's almost like someone sent people out to StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #49
Awful. applegrove Jun 2020 #42
Remember when we destroyed the German symbols? zipplewrath Jun 2020 #47
Boom! StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #50
+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #58
+infinity ismnotwasm Jun 2020 #59
for the stone behind the buddhas would be my guess. mopinko Jun 2020 #48
It is impossible to have a true and factual accounting Solly Mack Jun 2020 #54
Thank you. Perfectly stated. lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #66
Yeah.. I've thought a lot about those. While there is a big difference in taking down Confederate hlthe2b Jun 2020 #62
But it's not just "Confederate" statues. kentuck Jun 2020 #69
Did the Buddha encourage hate crimes against another segment of the population? Baitball Blogger Jun 2020 #67
I am going to delete this post, kentuck Jun 2020 #70
I do. And to be honest, I have an internal conflict about all this white-washing... SKKY Jun 2020 #71
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