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46. It is not (only) about justice. It's about uncovering the depth and details of what happened

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 03:43 PM

Nov 2020

How do you move on when you don't even really know what happened?

How do you take corrective actions without knowing the extent of the damage?

How do you learn those things without vigorous and detailed investigations?

And how do you conduct legit investigations if, a priori, you decide to not hold anyone responsible?

That's why.

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Don't prosecute Trump so the nation can heal. [View all] TruckFump Nov 2020 OP

I gave you your first rec, along with my total agreement! abqtommy Nov 2020 #1

Thank you! TruckFump Nov 2020 #4

I believe that one of the first things Biden should do is to create a ... aggiesal Nov 2020 #84

Exactly. As Samuel L Jackson said in Pulp Fiction: radius777 Nov 2020 #146

We won't be able to heal until he IS prosecuted! Blue Owl Nov 2020 #2

I agree TOTALLY!!!! TruckFump Nov 2020 #6

Let's not forget all our republican congress persons who coddled him, KS Toronado Nov 2020 #58

If they go after Trump without reminding people who enabled him they're missing dessert. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #155

Exactly! PutGramaOnThePhone Nov 2020 #39

Federal crimes will get a pardon (by Pence, probably) but... Lock him up. Nov 2020 #85

Even if he somehow gets pardoned for federal crimes, 70,000,000 voters and all FOX TryLogic Nov 2020 #101

Fully agreed. The House HAS to set up a Federal Crimes Commission to examine them all. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #108

BOOM!!! THIS!!! YES, I'm SHOUTING!!! calimary Nov 2020 #65

ALL OF THAT - plus....... MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #72

Madame bdamomma Nov 2020 #120

Absitively and Posolutely! calimary Nov 2020 #129

With ya 100%. notinkansas Nov 2020 #143

Precisely! No healing without prosecutions! nt Ilsa Nov 2020 #94

Healing through prison RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2020 #3

Dubya already used up that get-out-of-jail card Azathoth Nov 2020 #5

The Iran-Contra criminals used their card also, and many of them resurfaced during Dim Sons reign. SaintLouisBlues Nov 2020 #26

Even Elliot Abrams is back not fooled Nov 2020 #30

Peanuts? No way. tavernier Nov 2020 #7

Cat food would actually be better for him than the shit he eats now. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #14

No he needs to be exposed and the American people need to learn how much he sold this country kimbutgar Nov 2020 #8

Ford paid for pardoning Nixon by losing the 1976 election, but The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #9

I Agreed With Ford Completely RobinA Nov 2020 #169

Hear, hear. Arkansas Granny Nov 2020 #10

Not just him, Barr and all the rest of the criminal regime. CanonRay Nov 2020 #11

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #86

No, prosecute the heel. Sneederbunk Nov 2020 #12

Completely agree with your post, not the headline. Justice demands it! c-rational Nov 2020 #13

MAGAssholes will remain deplorable no matter what happens to Trump. oasis Nov 2020 #15

i'm very bitter about this. barbtries Nov 2020 #16

+1 Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #18

Yep. TruckFump Nov 2020 #23

Exactly. dflprincess Nov 2020 #130

NO ONE is above the LAW Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2020 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #149

There are a lot of suits that have been/will be filed at the state level. MissMillie Nov 2020 #20

I agree. TruckFump Nov 2020 #22

He has to be totally destroyed legally or he will be back in some way doc03 Nov 2020 #21

The top hundreds DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #127

+1000 Celerity Nov 2020 #137

This is not Nixon. Nixon screwed with the election and his opponents. This pissant has... TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #24

Also a pardon should be very specific exboyfil Nov 2020 #25

Nixon's underlings and vindictive traits infected the U.S. Government after he wasn't prosecuted. WyattKansas Nov 2020 #27

Case in point, Roger Stone -- one of several keystones KPN Nov 2020 #70

By not fully prosecuting trump it will make the American people trust this government less duforsure Nov 2020 #28

It is time to send a message....Nixon "ran a stop sign" compared to Trump!!! ashredux Nov 2020 #29

Where the fuck is this being reported? Aviation Pro Nov 2020 #31

He's going to leave office with a pardon for federal crimes BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #32

If he pardons himself, which, given his ego, is likely intrepidity Nov 2020 #57

I don't think that's the route he would go BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #60

I used to believe that. I'm lately more convinced of how deluded he is intrepidity Nov 2020 #64

I hope he does too but question whether he'll risk it in the end. Time will tell. BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #66

Somehow we have to hide all the pens & paper until Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #115

I think that would be more likely because misanthrope Nov 2020 #98

Yes exactly BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #112

Pardon himself is creative nonsense. If he tries it should be ignored. TryLogic Nov 2020 #107

Well said. warmfeet Nov 2020 #33

"You'll heal if you just don't drain that abcess!" Dangerously delusional thinking. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #34

prosecute for LEGAL crimes stopdiggin Nov 2020 #35

and that is precisely what investigations uncover intrepidity Nov 2020 #52

or precludes stopdiggin Nov 2020 #61

We're in agreement intrepidity Nov 2020 #68

Simply switch roles. Proceed at ludicrous speed. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #36

And let's try to work with Mitch to move America forward. JohnnyRingo Nov 2020 #37

I guess I would have to say that every president in my lifetime Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #38

chump and the rethug party are a killing cancer on America Leith Nov 2020 #40

I will heal better if he goes to prison for his crimes. ooky Nov 2020 #41

I've been saying this for a long time. cab67 Nov 2020 #42

Oh, hell no! PirateRo Nov 2020 #43

Let New York and Scotland have him. KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #44

Yes, This RobinA Nov 2020 #170

Agree 100%. I'm still upset that war crimes charges weren't persued against GW Bush. CaptainTruth Nov 2020 #45

It is not (only) about justice. It's about uncovering the depth and details of what happened intrepidity Nov 2020 #46

IMO, there are and were so many in his Admin that should be criminally prosecuted. TruckFump Nov 2020 #51

He must be held accountable otherwise the rule of law is worthless. Pepsidog Nov 2020 #47

Investigate and prosecute vlyons Nov 2020 #48

If he is not prosecuted, RexLipton Nov 2020 #49

The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly Nasruddin Nov 2020 #50

If a person violates the law and is not punished, are their actions against the law? LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #53

Failure to follow through with exposing his crimes just paves the road for the next wannabe dictator Midnight Writer Nov 2020 #54

Count Every Legal Crime! Richard D Nov 2020 #55

Peanuts are way too tasty. He should be fed exactly what he doesn't like to eat in solitary Illumination Nov 2020 #56

Nope. Then we'd have every criminal racing to become a Republican leader to avoid justice. gulliver Nov 2020 #59

Credit to "Suicide Squad" - Put him in a hole and throw away the hole (n/t) Moostache Nov 2020 #62

We "moved on" after Nixon wryter2000 Nov 2020 #63

If this is allowed to happen without consequences, our democracy is officially over. Vinca Nov 2020 #67

Absolutely Vinca DeSmet Nov 2020 #151

To have to watch him brag how "they had nothing on me" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #69

It's not about healing. It's about the rule of law, accountability, and DETERRENCE. Martin Eden Nov 2020 #71

That was the rationale with Nixon Jarqui Nov 2020 #73

We tried that after the Civil War & 155 years later intheflow Nov 2020 #74

NY will crimycarny Nov 2020 #75

No fucking way. Anyone that proposes that has lost my support. Evolve Dammit Nov 2020 #76

We need closure, not 'healing'... lock him up. Talitha Nov 2020 #77

Totally agree. My memory goes back the the Nixon pardon and the Iran-Contra debacle, fierywoman Nov 2020 #78

New York MFM008 Nov 2020 #79

I'm still pissed .... BradBo Nov 2020 #80

that was sickening Skittles Nov 2020 #141

His whole famiily in jail is the cure for what ails me randr Nov 2020 #81

It is the only way to heal, JUSTICE !!!!!! Miigwech Nov 2020 #82

Amen. Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #83

Lock him up! BlueWavePsych Nov 2020 #87

MAGA will never heal. Only the rest of us might. Kablooie Nov 2020 #88

What/ who specifically are you responding to OP? No one is Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #89

People in government PatSeg Nov 2020 #90

I'm afraid that he might die from natural causes before they ever convict him of totodeinhere Nov 2020 #91

Yup. It's completely backwards. AleksS Nov 2020 #92

Let Karma be Karma srose58089 Nov 2020 #93

If we don't hold Trump accountable, we'll get another Trump. SunSeeker Nov 2020 #95

👆 This! And the next "trump" will be smart and charming, instead of stupid and odious. flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #123

Yes, imagine if Trump had been evil and smart instead of evil and stupid. nt SunSeeker Nov 2020 #124

It's not about revenge but safeguards misanthrope Nov 2020 #96

Very important: Lock him up so that he has no access to social media. Towlie Nov 2020 #97

That which is not punished is encouraged. Xipe Totec Nov 2020 #99

Agreed seta1950 Nov 2020 #100

Yep. IF he has committed crimes, which we all know he has, PatrickforO Nov 2020 #102

The one thing the idiot did ...... Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #103

We don't prosecute Presidents, we prosecute crimes. grantcart Nov 2020 #104

Prosecute and convict him of Treason and Genocide cp Nov 2020 #105

I want to have a BULLDOG Upthevibe Nov 2020 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2020 #109

Biden is handling it well: It's up to the DOJ. SayItLoud Nov 2020 #110

Agree. Trump must be prosecuted to end the BS. Quemado Nov 2020 #111

He Will Be Prosecuted colsohlibgal Nov 2020 #113

A reckoning is coming. EmeraldCoaster Nov 2020 #114

I have thought this for a long time. TruckFump Nov 2020 #121

You know how they say capital punishment is supposed to be a deterrent to murder and liberalla Nov 2020 #116

He fucking committed TREASON! dhol82 Nov 2020 #117

Lock up the Lyin' Loser. Brother Mythos Nov 2020 #118

tRump bdamomma Nov 2020 #119

He needs to be tried for Sedition! burrowowl Nov 2020 #122

maggotrump Got Impeached, didn't he. Cha Nov 2020 #125

Not prosecuting would cross my red line ecstatic Nov 2020 #126

No Way.....LAW AND ORDER!!!......remember? W T F Nov 2020 #128

He has to be Meowmee Nov 2020 #131

Totally Unacceptable. not_the_one Nov 2020 #132

My only concern is that prosecuting him could enrage Republicans Calista241 Nov 2020 #133

But refusing to go after him will allow him to come back with a vengeance, and will enrage Celerity Nov 2020 #140

The STATE O F NEW YORK will prosecute him for Tax evasion ... yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #134

Why didn't the state of NY prosecute him for tax evasion before? former9thward Nov 2020 #136

it was recently discovered .... yuiyoshida Nov 2020 #139

Nothing was recently discovered. former9thward Nov 2020 #154

I could not possibly agree more! BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #135

There's a lot he could be prosecuted for MyMission Nov 2020 #138

Fīat jūstitia ruat caelum ET Awful Nov 2020 #142

I suspect Trump will try to self-pardon because Pence won't do it jmowreader Nov 2020 #144

Nothing in the Constitution limits pardons in that way ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #145

The only major mistake Obama made while in office was not appointing an independent investigator cstanleytech Nov 2020 #147

The courts in NY are investigating in prep for doing this. Who is saying that they shouldn't? ehrnst Nov 2020 #150

I cannot heal if criminals are let off because they are loudmouth assholes with a bunch of followers bullimiami Nov 2020 #152

Amen to that!!! secondwind Nov 2020 #153

I don't think we'll solve it here fescuerescue Nov 2020 #156

Manafort's guy in Ukraine jailed the defeated Prime Minster, Ukraine broke apart, democracy died Cicada Nov 2020 #157

with every breath I take llashram Nov 2020 #158

Put him in jail so he can't run in 2024** MRDAWG Nov 2020 #159

X2 sellitman Nov 2020 #160

Criminals must be brought to justice samsingh Nov 2020 #161

The nation isn't going to "heal" either way durablend Nov 2020 #162

He should, for the many excellent reasons already expressed here, be Enoki33 Nov 2020 #163

Can a convicted felon run again for President? StaunchDemocrat1957 Nov 2020 #164

"We the people" DESERVE to see the orange devil tazmaniac Nov 2020 #165

Sadly, as much as I would love to see him face consequences Nexus2 Nov 2020 #166

pardons will not save his arse in NY Celerity Nov 2020 #167

They're fascist and need to be treated as such and taken down hard. Hotler Nov 2020 #168