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Hermit-The-Prog

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5. Make precincts small enough and counting is not a problem.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jan 2021

With paper ballots (physical tokens):

* Paper ballots allow the voter to verify that the ballot represents the voter's vote.

* The general public can verify that the voter cast a ballot, without having to know the vote.

* The general public can verify that the paper ballots are not tampered with while waiting to be counted.

* The general public can observe and verify the count of the ballots.

In electronic voting (abstractions, not physical tokens):

- The voter cannot verify that the internal state of the device represents the voter's vote. (This is true no matter how many pre-election or post-election tests are performed on the device).

- The general public cannot observe or verify that the voter cast a ballot. (The electorate has a critical, prime responsibility to observe and verify this).

- The general public cannot observe or verify the (abstract, invisible, electronic) ballots are true to the forms (state) they were in when cast.

- The general public cannot observe or verify the (invisible, electronic) count of the (abstract, invisible, electronic) ballots.

Elections are far more important than the check-out line at the grocery store, bank or Amazon. Verification is needed by the individual voter, by the rest of the electorate, and by the general public while still maintaining a secret ballot. Physical tokens that human beings can perceive are required.

100000000% Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #1
.... BComplex Jan 2021 #2
Yes we need reforms. And votes should start to be counted before election day... servermsh Jan 2021 #3
Absolutely so. BComplex Jan 2021 #4
Make precincts small enough and counting is not a problem. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #5
Exactly. Verification that who you voted for is the one who is counted is the basis of BComplex Jan 2021 #8
start by making every voter registration an actual form of id. no charge. that solves the id issue. bullimiami Jan 2021 #6
That's an interesting thought. BComplex Jan 2021 #12
Vote by mail central scrutinizer Jan 2021 #7
And the COVID pandemic has proven that it's the best way to have a paper trail. BComplex Jan 2021 #10
Unfortunately the thuglicans in several states (including Georgia) are already backtracking wcmagumba Jan 2021 #9
And propaganda channels on cable and radio are stirring that pot. Those are all BComplex Jan 2021 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Jan 2021 #11
LOL BComplex Jan 2021 #16
Hell, our elections have lost so much trust (even when they're run well)... Silent3 Jan 2021 #14
That's so sad. We have fox propaganda and hate radio to thank for the mess we've become. BComplex Jan 2021 #15
end the madness of all this conflicting metholds to vote . AllaN01Bear Jan 2021 #17
The technical issues with a verifiable voting system are not insurmountable. The politics of it are. Make7 Jan 2021 #18
That was a great article, Make7!!! A long read, but well worth the time! BComplex Jan 2021 #20
Chris Krebs said on 60 Minutes MissMillie Jan 2021 #19
I had no idea it was that high this time! I'm so glad to hear that. eom/ BComplex Jan 2021 #21
It is literally impossible for many poor, elderly, female, minority voters Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #22
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