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jcgoldie

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80. Yes his name is on the plan

Reply to OnDoutside (Reply #78)

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:42 PM

Jan 2021

So your premise is that arguing to increase the payment she is launching an “attack on Biden.”

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'$2,000 Means $2,000: Ocasio-Cortez Says $1,400 Payments in Biden Plan Fall Short of Promised Relief [View all] turbinetree Jan 2021 OP

I disagree with her argument Pachamama Jan 2021 #1

Why would that be harder to pass? tia uponit7771 Jan 2021 #5

Why would it be easy to pass? tia Pachamama Jan 2021 #7

We have the senate and zero interest rates, the error should be on the side of giving too much uponit7771 Jan 2021 #12

Manchin has promised to vote against it if it's $2K... DonViejo Jan 2021 #20

make him uponit7771 Jan 2021 #165

exactly bigtree Jan 2021 #23

I disagree with congresswoman ocasio -Cortez in this one . Naio Jan 2021 #66

Even she disagrees with herself on this one, thusly: George II Jan 2021 #181

+100000 Pachamama Jan 2021 #239

Well how bout that. She's right, $2,000 does mean $2,000. Autumn Jan 2021 #2

The $600.00 is included so you are wrong, but I take notice of the attacks on Biden before he Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #16

Take all the notice you want. Autumn Jan 2021 #22

We can only get what Congress will pass...and 600 of the 2000 went out around the same time. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #44

That's not what is being discussed. And how is what Biden actually said an attack on him? Autumn Jan 2021 #49

A legalistic argument which I already addressed so all the links in the world won't change the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #53

Sorry I can't speak to what you addressed, I don't read your posts past the first glance or sentence Autumn Jan 2021 #69

Then I fail to see the reason to continue any conversation on this matter. Have a nice day. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #89

Hmmm sheshe2 Jan 2021 #227

Biden said that on Dec. 28, only a few hours after the $600 stimulus was signed and before a single beastie boy Jan 2021 #48

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #55

You are correct. But the discussion is what Biden had to say. I'll let Biden prove you wrong. Autumn Jan 2021 #60

But... but... tBiden proves me right! beastie boy Jan 2021 #76

You are wrong. He was slamming the Republican debate over the stimulus while people Autumn Jan 2021 #85

so... what exactly makes me wrong? beastie boy Jan 2021 #96

Read the OP subject line, "....$1400 falls short", but apparently it didn't fall short.... George II Jan 2021 #209

Read Biden's tweet from 5 days ago. Autumn Jan 2021 #210

I did. And to get to $2000 after $600 has already gone out, send an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #212

What I understand is obviously you don't take Biden's word for what is needed. Autumn Jan 2021 #220

Yes, he's correct, $600 is not enough and we need $2000, which means we need an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #221

That's your math George. Joe didn't pass, Joe didn't sign a $600 stimulus. READ his tweet Autumn Jan 2021 #222

I've now read it (from you) three or four times, losing count. It's not my math, it's THE math! George II Jan 2021 #224

And you are going to get it again when you respond to me in this thread. Read. Joe. Biden's. Tweet. Autumn Jan 2021 #225

I did. And to get to $2000 after $600 has already gone out, send an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #213

That was before the $600 checks "went out the door". Yes, both Warnock and Ossoff AND AOC (!!!)..... George II Jan 2021 #187

+1000 Pachamama Jan 2021 #29

Morality is a separate issue. But I must say this it is always immoral to allow Republicans to win Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #47

It's even worse when the elections are all but handed to them. George II Jan 2021 #194

Very well said PatSeg Jan 2021 #33

We had six years of nothing and then they did it again in 14. I well remember the attacks on Obama. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #50

I hope so as well PatSeg Jan 2021 #87

We could have had a public option the last five or so years...it breaks my heart to think Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #91

Oh yes PatSeg Jan 2021 #105

That's not what he said, though. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #42

This was sent before the $600.00 dollar checks were sent...clearly $2000. was the figure. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #56

He said that on Jan 6th. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #59

Someone should have told Warnock it was $1400 wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #173

They did understand the $600 vs. $2000, and she stated so less than three weeks ago.... George II Jan 2021 #180

Yes indeedy, but she also said this less than 3 weeks ago: George II Jan 2021 #177

And Joe Biden said this 5 days ago. Autumn Jan 2021 #208

Yes indeedy. That's where the $1400 comes from... George II Jan 2021 #211

Nope Biden said $600 is simply not enough.We need $2,000 stimulus checks. Read his tweet Autumn Jan 2021 #218

This is partially due to the treasury dept so quickly delivering the $600 andym Jan 2021 #202

I think we need more stimulus, but $600 just passed. $1400 + $600 JDC Jan 2021 #3

Yeah - the goalposts moved in two weeks nt sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #14

When the second stimulus was talked about Butterflylady Jan 2021 #4

Well, I haven't got the $600 yet... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #6

You shouldn't have to file taxes PatSeg Jan 2021 #34

You would think but, Karma13612 Jan 2021 #232

I didn't realize that PatSeg Jan 2021 #233

True, but I've decided I can't follow the logic of most of Karma13612 Jan 2021 #235

My brain hurts a lot these days PatSeg Jan 2021 #238

Given I've yet to see any of these payments Johonny Jan 2021 #8

Lord. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #9

Can this be more ridiculous? mcar Jan 2021 #10

if you don't need the money, it's easier to call this ridiculous bigtree Jan 2021 #15

We do deserve repeating payments mcar Jan 2021 #26

it's not an 'excellent' proposal bigtree Jan 2021 #31

How about this back on December 27. Even SHE was in favor of adding to $600 to make it $2000 total. George II Jan 2021 #176

Crickets. Cha Jan 2021 #182

So when it was Tlaib and her idea it was fine. Now that it's Biden's it's not good enough. SMDH! George II Jan 2021 #183

Yeah.. Not Cool. Cha Jan 2021 #184

Ding! You got it. ahoysrcsm Jan 2021 #230

Oopsie mcar Jan 2021 #193

I DO Need the Money & I think it's Cha Jan 2021 #178

It will never be enough for some. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #61

it's clearly enough for people who don't need it bigtree Jan 2021 #93

Biden is not responsible for that mcar Jan 2021 #106

no one is 'slamming' Biden bigtree Jan 2021 #114

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Jan 2021 #189

That's right mcar Jan 2021 #99

I'm sure AOC will get excoriated here for not towing the party line verbatim but... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #11

You are not going to push a 50 50 congress with at least six moderate to conservative Democrats Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #64

Everyone doesnt have to agree 100% of the time with the party line jcgoldie Jan 2021 #73

Really, where have I heard this argument before...oh when we lost the House in 10 and the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #92

Some seem to want to slam Democrats more than Repubs mcar Jan 2021 #107

Yes they do...there is no such thing as constructive criticism at this time. We have a razor thin Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #168

Some seem to think that bc we have the majority mcar Jan 2021 #171

Unity does not entail all muffling of criticism or suggestion Sympthsical Jan 2021 #148

Well I have a Gay daughter and my fear is the GOP gets back in because Democrats end up Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #167

I don't think she's lobbying to make it better. I think she's using it Hortensis Jan 2021 #94

Exactly. It's all about the "branding" and we know R B Garr Jan 2021 #113

I should have said especially BECAUSE the $2000 is what she called for. Hortensis Jan 2021 #124

Yes... contemptible. That's the perfect word. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #139

Exactly right again. Which is why the BS sticks out R B Garr Jan 2021 #169

no it's for complaining already treestar Jan 2021 #215

progressives are making noise now to ensure another round of payments bigtree Jan 2021 #13

Lulz! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #17

what is this? bigtree Jan 2021 #21

Ridiculous. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #24

your mocking post is in response to my pointing out the poverty in America bigtree Jan 2021 #28

Nope. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #32

+1 BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #126

It serves no good purpose for ANYONE to try an kneecap Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #128

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Jan 2021 #25

First of all this 'push' is likely to achieve nothing for the unemployed and our economy...we Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #67

that's not the way political advocacy works bigtree Jan 2021 #98

Yes, But Advocacy RobinA Jan 2021 #162

why is it counterproductive? The politics fits the republicans' objections to even this amount bigtree Jan 2021 #164

Can you, or AOC, cite Biden proposing a $2000 stimulus IN ADDITION to $600 already passed? beastie boy Jan 2021 #18

Thank you. All of this amounts to an underhanded smear of Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #27

Exactly PatSeg Jan 2021 #37

That is correct...and I am so angry that our side would attack Biden this way...we may very Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #68

my family had already gotten our $600. when the '$2000. check' was announced bigtree Jan 2021 #35

They thought wrong. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #36

I'm a citizen, not a politician bigtree Jan 2021 #39

Lulz! Nobody is twisting your words. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #41

claiming posters on a message board are trying to upset Biden for expecting more $ is ludicrous bigtree Jan 2021 #51

Nobody claimed that about posters. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #57

they're advocating for me bigtree Jan 2021 #58

Lulz! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #62

conversely, the effect of your 'advocacy' would/will be the paltry $1400. additional bigtree Jan 2021 #70

Oh, please! Spare me! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #77

one person's 'showboating' is another's advocacy bigtree Jan 2021 #83

I live in the real world.. not a binary, or black-and-white world. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #95

If you think republicans can't be pushed further, there's no real point in your advocacy bigtree Jan 2021 #104

Ridiculous. Nobody said that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #111

It's like people have learned nothing mcar Jan 2021 #110

that's called progressive politics bigtree Jan 2021 #115

No it's not. Absurd. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #127

blah, blah blah, you're wrong bigtree Jan 2021 #133

I can tell you what DOES kneecap Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #136

'insinuations' are your own invention bigtree Jan 2021 #142

I'm smarter than many people believe. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #144

you can't prove that by me bigtree Jan 2021 #147

Again with the insults. Why? NurseJackie Jan 2021 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2021 #155

Show me where I said that mcar Jan 2021 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2021 #201

Absolutely.. nor do they want to. Cha Jan 2021 #185

No one said that is yours or anyone else's motive but attacking Biden on the right and the left Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #108

the debate is on the proposal in Congress, not on Biden who can't appropriate the money himself bigtree Jan 2021 #119

Ridiculous! Nobody here believes that... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #156

that's so weak bigtree Jan 2021 #157

Fortunately, I live in the real world.... And so do most of our elected representatives... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #158

If you think McConnell doesn't need to be pushed, you aren't paying attention bigtree Jan 2021 #160

Nobody said that. Nobody. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #163

Some serious strawmen on this thread mcar Jan 2021 #195

How about a little fire, Scarecrow? NurseJackie Jan 2021 #197

... mcar Jan 2021 #199

A voice of reason. Thank you! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #134

Thank you Jackie... Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #140

So Biden said this AFTER the $600 dollar checks went out: Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #141

Oh, charming! So now loyal Democrats are "members of a cult". Nice. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #145

I'm saying we shouldn't be. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #146

No, your meaning was clear... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #150

Announced by whom? Can you cite a source? That's all I am asking for. beastie boy Jan 2021 #40

payments started in December bigtree Jan 2021 #46

The bill was signed into law December 27, late at night. Biden's spoke on December 28, early beastie boy Jan 2021 #65

don't tell me that it was made clear it was additional money bigtree Jan 2021 #74

Well now we know. Now we all know. Time to people get back to work and stop trying... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #79

Ok, I will not tell you. Biden will. beastie boy Jan 2021 #82

there's clearly loose language here bigtree Jan 2021 #90

But now everyone knows and understands. --- It's time to let it go. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #102

The language can only be called "loose" if you ignore the context and the timing of the speech. beastie boy Jan 2021 #103

And now she knows. Now EVERYONE knows. Whatever the (ahem) "misunderstanding" was... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #97

Actually it was made clear and people were saying an additional $1,400. whopis01 Jan 2021 #154

⭐⭐⭐ Thank you! ⭐⭐⭐ NurseJackie Jan 2021 #161

Exactly. $2600 has never been on the table in any discussion. Takket Jan 2021 #38

He didn't parse words Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #45

+1 leftstreet Jan 2021 #52

AOC was wrong here, but I think Biden should have made it clearer, his checks would be an addition dustyscamp Jan 2021 #101

1400 + 600 equal 2000 fescuerescue Jan 2021 #19

I can ... = NurseJackie Jan 2021 #30

I don't get it? The House Bill doesn't even say that? Thrill Jan 2021 #43

Ooof! splunge63 Jan 2021 #54

Bull sh*t.. 600 plus 1400 .. just stop it Peacetrain Jan 2021 #63

So when Biden said before the Georgia special election Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #72

You are correct, the cheques were said to be for 2000 usd over and over well AFTER Celerity Jan 2021 #138

Sorry, that's not correct. Here is what was said after the bill was signed by trump.... George II Jan 2021 #205

you are once again wrong, as I definitely showed in a series of posts to you in another thread Celerity Jan 2021 #217

So the attacks on Biden have restarted. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #71

"Attacks on Biden" jcgoldie Jan 2021 #75

"Ocasio-Cortez Says $1,400 Payments in BIDEN Plan Fall Short of Promised Relief" OnDoutside Jan 2021 #78

Yes his name is on the plan jcgoldie Jan 2021 #80

Pelosi just called it the Covid Relief Package, it's not that hard if you want to not kick your OnDoutside Jan 2021 #84

Right jcgoldie Jan 2021 #88

Looks like it. This is from the WaPo article that Commondreams took it from OnDoutside Jan 2021 #112

That's what the headline writer said, not AOC. Mariana Jan 2021 #118

CD got that from a WaPo article OnDoutside Jan 2021 #159

If she is really upset about this, she should take it up with Biden. marie999 Jan 2021 #81

Well said. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #86

That's not how politics works nt liskddksil Jan 2021 #100

Well lets consider doing politics in a new way. I can't call our politics of the last 20 years Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #109

Me neither, but that doesn't mean representatives shouldn't use their pulpit to call liskddksil Jan 2021 #153

If we divide...over things Biden can't pass which is what happened with Obama...we will Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #166

Agreed Tink41 Jan 2021 #116

For some people Hobo Jan 2021 #117

Yep. As is paying attention, apparently. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #120

That's absurd. The entire point of the last debate was to increase the $600 to $2000 Blasphemer Jan 2021 #121

Biden had nothing to do with the $600. That was the repubs that gave us that instead of the $1200. panader0 Jan 2021 #122

Basic math means basic math Polybius Jan 2021 #123

You got $600? I got nothing so far. apnu Jan 2021 #125

We all knew was going to be 1400. She knew, because when she wrote something up it included the 600 LizBeth Jan 2021 #129

She ain't wrong. Don't stiff us $600, pls. Tarc Jan 2021 #130

Yes she is and she knows she is wrong. LizBeth Jan 2021 #131

'fraid not Tarc Jan 2021 #137

So. Just for the sake of arguing if you did not get what they are saying. LizBeth Jan 2021 #143

Yup, it's like me saying they lied to me since I didn't get an actual check JI7 Jan 2021 #170

Love AOC but not sure it is time for this talking point mvd Jan 2021 #132

Or we could get zero dollars. mac56 Jan 2021 #135

She doesn't have very good people skills. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #149

$1400 + $600 $2000 Jose Garcia Jan 2021 #151

I see we've wasted no time rounding up the circular firing squad. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #172

Nobody likes people who rule lawyer wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #174

trump can, and has, claimed many things. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #188

You can't campaign on one thing, then pull a switcheroo to another wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #191

Oh, is Rafael Warnock being inaugurated President on Wednesday? mcar Jan 2021 #198

We wanted him to win the Senate seat, right? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #200

Of course we did mcar Jan 2021 #204

It's been clear to me that the push was for a total of 2000. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #214

I'm hearing more hamhanded explaining for this issue wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #234

She also said this the day trump signed the bill containing the $600 payment less than 3 wks ago: George II Jan 2021 #175

TY for that AOC tweet that says she's Cha Jan 2021 #186

This is the end of the discussion, IMO BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #203

I think you're correct, and it looks like it has come to an end. Facts rule! George II Jan 2021 #207

Doesn't really get much clearer than that. n/t Captain Stern Jan 2021 #219

💥 BOOM 🤯 NurseJackie Jan 2021 #223

Math n/t MrsMatt Jan 2021 #179

I agree. nt BainsBane Jan 2021 #190

I WOULD RATHER the $600 she & others are dithering about go to unemployed and underployed, people Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2021 #196

I've had some of my more whacky friends on social media bitch about this too. Music Man Jan 2021 #206

Whine whine whine treestar Jan 2021 #216

Okay, I'm going to get hate here but my thought was Biden meant a full $2000.00. This $600 was 1 PA_jen Jan 2021 #226

That $600 was on Republicans, and Trump, they were getting a lot of flack, people hurting Autumn Jan 2021 #228

You're correct. That's what he meant. And even AOC and Tlaib meant $2000, too..... George II Jan 2021 #229

OMG! It appears that you and I's previous observations were correct... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #231

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jan 2021 #236

Guess what, Bernie Sanders agrees with Biden and the additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #241

Okay Bernie agrees. When I saw Biden's tweet I took it as a full $2,000 beside the $600. PA_jen Jan 2021 #242

Someone put it all together in one tweet. This should clear up the discussion: George II Jan 2021 #237

So she understood ALL ALONG that the total benefit would be $2000 ($600 + $1400)... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #240