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83. one person's 'showboating' is another's advocacy

Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:44 PM

Jan 2021

...one proposes to get what we need, others proposes compromising on those needs, touting 'progress'.

I'm with the one who doesn't propose compromising our needs, ultimately, though (as she is, as well) stuck with the ones compromising.

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'$2,000 Means $2,000: Ocasio-Cortez Says $1,400 Payments in Biden Plan Fall Short of Promised Relief [View all] turbinetree Jan 2021 OP

I disagree with her argument Pachamama Jan 2021 #1

Why would that be harder to pass? tia uponit7771 Jan 2021 #5

Why would it be easy to pass? tia Pachamama Jan 2021 #7

We have the senate and zero interest rates, the error should be on the side of giving too much uponit7771 Jan 2021 #12

Manchin has promised to vote against it if it's $2K... DonViejo Jan 2021 #20

make him uponit7771 Jan 2021 #165

exactly bigtree Jan 2021 #23

I disagree with congresswoman ocasio -Cortez in this one . Naio Jan 2021 #66

Even she disagrees with herself on this one, thusly: George II Jan 2021 #181

+100000 Pachamama Jan 2021 #239

Well how bout that. She's right, $2,000 does mean $2,000. Autumn Jan 2021 #2

The $600.00 is included so you are wrong, but I take notice of the attacks on Biden before he Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #16

Take all the notice you want. Autumn Jan 2021 #22

We can only get what Congress will pass...and 600 of the 2000 went out around the same time. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #44

That's not what is being discussed. And how is what Biden actually said an attack on him? Autumn Jan 2021 #49

A legalistic argument which I already addressed so all the links in the world won't change the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #53

Sorry I can't speak to what you addressed, I don't read your posts past the first glance or sentence Autumn Jan 2021 #69

Then I fail to see the reason to continue any conversation on this matter. Have a nice day. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #89

Hmmm sheshe2 Jan 2021 #227

Biden said that on Dec. 28, only a few hours after the $600 stimulus was signed and before a single beastie boy Jan 2021 #48

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #55

You are correct. But the discussion is what Biden had to say. I'll let Biden prove you wrong. Autumn Jan 2021 #60

But... but... tBiden proves me right! beastie boy Jan 2021 #76

You are wrong. He was slamming the Republican debate over the stimulus while people Autumn Jan 2021 #85

so... what exactly makes me wrong? beastie boy Jan 2021 #96

Read the OP subject line, "....$1400 falls short", but apparently it didn't fall short.... George II Jan 2021 #209

Read Biden's tweet from 5 days ago. Autumn Jan 2021 #210

I did. And to get to $2000 after $600 has already gone out, send an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #212

What I understand is obviously you don't take Biden's word for what is needed. Autumn Jan 2021 #220

Yes, he's correct, $600 is not enough and we need $2000, which means we need an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #221

That's your math George. Joe didn't pass, Joe didn't sign a $600 stimulus. READ his tweet Autumn Jan 2021 #222

I've now read it (from you) three or four times, losing count. It's not my math, it's THE math! George II Jan 2021 #224

And you are going to get it again when you respond to me in this thread. Read. Joe. Biden's. Tweet. Autumn Jan 2021 #225

I did. And to get to $2000 after $600 has already gone out, send an additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #213

That was before the $600 checks "went out the door". Yes, both Warnock and Ossoff AND AOC (!!!)..... George II Jan 2021 #187

+1000 Pachamama Jan 2021 #29

Morality is a separate issue. But I must say this it is always immoral to allow Republicans to win Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #47

It's even worse when the elections are all but handed to them. George II Jan 2021 #194

Very well said PatSeg Jan 2021 #33

We had six years of nothing and then they did it again in 14. I well remember the attacks on Obama. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #50

I hope so as well PatSeg Jan 2021 #87

We could have had a public option the last five or so years...it breaks my heart to think Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #91

Oh yes PatSeg Jan 2021 #105

That's not what he said, though. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #42

This was sent before the $600.00 dollar checks were sent...clearly $2000. was the figure. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #56

He said that on Jan 6th. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #59

Someone should have told Warnock it was $1400 wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #173

They did understand the $600 vs. $2000, and she stated so less than three weeks ago.... George II Jan 2021 #180

Yes indeedy, but she also said this less than 3 weeks ago: George II Jan 2021 #177

And Joe Biden said this 5 days ago. Autumn Jan 2021 #208

Yes indeedy. That's where the $1400 comes from... George II Jan 2021 #211

Nope Biden said $600 is simply not enough.We need $2,000 stimulus checks. Read his tweet Autumn Jan 2021 #218

This is partially due to the treasury dept so quickly delivering the $600 andym Jan 2021 #202

I think we need more stimulus, but $600 just passed. $1400 + $600 JDC Jan 2021 #3

Yeah - the goalposts moved in two weeks nt sweetloukillbot Jan 2021 #14

When the second stimulus was talked about Butterflylady Jan 2021 #4

Well, I haven't got the $600 yet... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #6

You shouldn't have to file taxes PatSeg Jan 2021 #34

You would think but, Karma13612 Jan 2021 #232

I didn't realize that PatSeg Jan 2021 #233

True, but I've decided I can't follow the logic of most of Karma13612 Jan 2021 #235

My brain hurts a lot these days PatSeg Jan 2021 #238

Given I've yet to see any of these payments Johonny Jan 2021 #8

Lord. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #9

Can this be more ridiculous? mcar Jan 2021 #10

if you don't need the money, it's easier to call this ridiculous bigtree Jan 2021 #15

We do deserve repeating payments mcar Jan 2021 #26

it's not an 'excellent' proposal bigtree Jan 2021 #31

How about this back on December 27. Even SHE was in favor of adding to $600 to make it $2000 total. George II Jan 2021 #176

Crickets. Cha Jan 2021 #182

So when it was Tlaib and her idea it was fine. Now that it's Biden's it's not good enough. SMDH! George II Jan 2021 #183

Yeah.. Not Cool. Cha Jan 2021 #184

Ding! You got it. ahoysrcsm Jan 2021 #230

Oopsie mcar Jan 2021 #193

I DO Need the Money & I think it's Cha Jan 2021 #178

It will never be enough for some. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #61

it's clearly enough for people who don't need it bigtree Jan 2021 #93

Biden is not responsible for that mcar Jan 2021 #106

no one is 'slamming' Biden bigtree Jan 2021 #114

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Jan 2021 #189

That's right mcar Jan 2021 #99

I'm sure AOC will get excoriated here for not towing the party line verbatim but... jcgoldie Jan 2021 #11

You are not going to push a 50 50 congress with at least six moderate to conservative Democrats Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #64

Everyone doesnt have to agree 100% of the time with the party line jcgoldie Jan 2021 #73

Really, where have I heard this argument before...oh when we lost the House in 10 and the Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #92

Some seem to want to slam Democrats more than Repubs mcar Jan 2021 #107

Yes they do...there is no such thing as constructive criticism at this time. We have a razor thin Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #168

Some seem to think that bc we have the majority mcar Jan 2021 #171

Unity does not entail all muffling of criticism or suggestion Sympthsical Jan 2021 #148

Well I have a Gay daughter and my fear is the GOP gets back in because Democrats end up Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #167

I don't think she's lobbying to make it better. I think she's using it Hortensis Jan 2021 #94

Exactly. It's all about the "branding" and we know R B Garr Jan 2021 #113

I should have said especially BECAUSE the $2000 is what she called for. Hortensis Jan 2021 #124

Yes... contemptible. That's the perfect word. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #139

Exactly right again. Which is why the BS sticks out R B Garr Jan 2021 #169

no it's for complaining already treestar Jan 2021 #215

progressives are making noise now to ensure another round of payments bigtree Jan 2021 #13

Lulz! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #17

what is this? bigtree Jan 2021 #21

Ridiculous. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #24

your mocking post is in response to my pointing out the poverty in America bigtree Jan 2021 #28

Nope. Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #32

+1 BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #126

It serves no good purpose for ANYONE to try an kneecap Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #128

+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Jan 2021 #25

First of all this 'push' is likely to achieve nothing for the unemployed and our economy...we Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #67

that's not the way political advocacy works bigtree Jan 2021 #98

Yes, But Advocacy RobinA Jan 2021 #162

why is it counterproductive? The politics fits the republicans' objections to even this amount bigtree Jan 2021 #164

Can you, or AOC, cite Biden proposing a $2000 stimulus IN ADDITION to $600 already passed? beastie boy Jan 2021 #18

Thank you. All of this amounts to an underhanded smear of Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #27

Exactly PatSeg Jan 2021 #37

That is correct...and I am so angry that our side would attack Biden this way...we may very Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #68

my family had already gotten our $600. when the '$2000. check' was announced bigtree Jan 2021 #35

They thought wrong. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #36

I'm a citizen, not a politician bigtree Jan 2021 #39

Lulz! Nobody is twisting your words. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #41

claiming posters on a message board are trying to upset Biden for expecting more $ is ludicrous bigtree Jan 2021 #51

Nobody claimed that about posters. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #57

they're advocating for me bigtree Jan 2021 #58

Lulz! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #62

conversely, the effect of your 'advocacy' would/will be the paltry $1400. additional bigtree Jan 2021 #70

Oh, please! Spare me! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #77

one person's 'showboating' is another's advocacy bigtree Jan 2021 #83

I live in the real world.. not a binary, or black-and-white world. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #95

If you think republicans can't be pushed further, there's no real point in your advocacy bigtree Jan 2021 #104

Ridiculous. Nobody said that. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #111

It's like people have learned nothing mcar Jan 2021 #110

that's called progressive politics bigtree Jan 2021 #115

No it's not. Absurd. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #127

blah, blah blah, you're wrong bigtree Jan 2021 #133

I can tell you what DOES kneecap Biden... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #136

'insinuations' are your own invention bigtree Jan 2021 #142

I'm smarter than many people believe. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #144

you can't prove that by me bigtree Jan 2021 #147

Again with the insults. Why? NurseJackie Jan 2021 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2021 #155

Show me where I said that mcar Jan 2021 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Jan 2021 #201

Absolutely.. nor do they want to. Cha Jan 2021 #185

No one said that is yours or anyone else's motive but attacking Biden on the right and the left Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #108

the debate is on the proposal in Congress, not on Biden who can't appropriate the money himself bigtree Jan 2021 #119

Ridiculous! Nobody here believes that... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #156

that's so weak bigtree Jan 2021 #157

Fortunately, I live in the real world.... And so do most of our elected representatives... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #158

If you think McConnell doesn't need to be pushed, you aren't paying attention bigtree Jan 2021 #160

Nobody said that. Nobody. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #163

Some serious strawmen on this thread mcar Jan 2021 #195

How about a little fire, Scarecrow? NurseJackie Jan 2021 #197

... mcar Jan 2021 #199

A voice of reason. Thank you! NurseJackie Jan 2021 #134

Thank you Jackie... Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #140

So Biden said this AFTER the $600 dollar checks went out: Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #141

Oh, charming! So now loyal Democrats are "members of a cult". Nice. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #145

I'm saying we shouldn't be. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #146

No, your meaning was clear... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #150

Announced by whom? Can you cite a source? That's all I am asking for. beastie boy Jan 2021 #40

payments started in December bigtree Jan 2021 #46

The bill was signed into law December 27, late at night. Biden's spoke on December 28, early beastie boy Jan 2021 #65

don't tell me that it was made clear it was additional money bigtree Jan 2021 #74

Well now we know. Now we all know. Time to people get back to work and stop trying... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #79

Ok, I will not tell you. Biden will. beastie boy Jan 2021 #82

there's clearly loose language here bigtree Jan 2021 #90

But now everyone knows and understands. --- It's time to let it go. NurseJackie Jan 2021 #102

The language can only be called "loose" if you ignore the context and the timing of the speech. beastie boy Jan 2021 #103

And now she knows. Now EVERYONE knows. Whatever the (ahem) "misunderstanding" was... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #97

Actually it was made clear and people were saying an additional $1,400. whopis01 Jan 2021 #154

⭐⭐⭐ Thank you! ⭐⭐⭐ NurseJackie Jan 2021 #161

Exactly. $2600 has never been on the table in any discussion. Takket Jan 2021 #38

He didn't parse words Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #45

+1 leftstreet Jan 2021 #52

AOC was wrong here, but I think Biden should have made it clearer, his checks would be an addition dustyscamp Jan 2021 #101

1400 + 600 equal 2000 fescuerescue Jan 2021 #19

I can ... = NurseJackie Jan 2021 #30

I don't get it? The House Bill doesn't even say that? Thrill Jan 2021 #43

Ooof! splunge63 Jan 2021 #54

Bull sh*t.. 600 plus 1400 .. just stop it Peacetrain Jan 2021 #63

So when Biden said before the Georgia special election Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2021 #72

You are correct, the cheques were said to be for 2000 usd over and over well AFTER Celerity Jan 2021 #138

Sorry, that's not correct. Here is what was said after the bill was signed by trump.... George II Jan 2021 #205

you are once again wrong, as I definitely showed in a series of posts to you in another thread Celerity Jan 2021 #217

So the attacks on Biden have restarted. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #71

"Attacks on Biden" jcgoldie Jan 2021 #75

"Ocasio-Cortez Says $1,400 Payments in BIDEN Plan Fall Short of Promised Relief" OnDoutside Jan 2021 #78

Yes his name is on the plan jcgoldie Jan 2021 #80

Pelosi just called it the Covid Relief Package, it's not that hard if you want to not kick your OnDoutside Jan 2021 #84

Right jcgoldie Jan 2021 #88

Looks like it. This is from the WaPo article that Commondreams took it from OnDoutside Jan 2021 #112

That's what the headline writer said, not AOC. Mariana Jan 2021 #118

CD got that from a WaPo article OnDoutside Jan 2021 #159

If she is really upset about this, she should take it up with Biden. marie999 Jan 2021 #81

Well said. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #86

That's not how politics works nt liskddksil Jan 2021 #100

Well lets consider doing politics in a new way. I can't call our politics of the last 20 years Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #109

Me neither, but that doesn't mean representatives shouldn't use their pulpit to call liskddksil Jan 2021 #153

If we divide...over things Biden can't pass which is what happened with Obama...we will Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #166

Agreed Tink41 Jan 2021 #116

For some people Hobo Jan 2021 #117

Yep. As is paying attention, apparently. BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #120

That's absurd. The entire point of the last debate was to increase the $600 to $2000 Blasphemer Jan 2021 #121

Biden had nothing to do with the $600. That was the repubs that gave us that instead of the $1200. panader0 Jan 2021 #122

Basic math means basic math Polybius Jan 2021 #123

You got $600? I got nothing so far. apnu Jan 2021 #125

We all knew was going to be 1400. She knew, because when she wrote something up it included the 600 LizBeth Jan 2021 #129

She ain't wrong. Don't stiff us $600, pls. Tarc Jan 2021 #130

Yes she is and she knows she is wrong. LizBeth Jan 2021 #131

'fraid not Tarc Jan 2021 #137

So. Just for the sake of arguing if you did not get what they are saying. LizBeth Jan 2021 #143

Yup, it's like me saying they lied to me since I didn't get an actual check JI7 Jan 2021 #170

Love AOC but not sure it is time for this talking point mvd Jan 2021 #132

Or we could get zero dollars. mac56 Jan 2021 #135

She doesn't have very good people skills. LiberalFighter Jan 2021 #149

$1400 + $600 $2000 Jose Garcia Jan 2021 #151

I see we've wasted no time rounding up the circular firing squad. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #172

Nobody likes people who rule lawyer wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #174

trump can, and has, claimed many things. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #188

You can't campaign on one thing, then pull a switcheroo to another wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #191

Oh, is Rafael Warnock being inaugurated President on Wednesday? mcar Jan 2021 #198

We wanted him to win the Senate seat, right? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #200

Of course we did mcar Jan 2021 #204

It's been clear to me that the push was for a total of 2000. Captain Stern Jan 2021 #214

I'm hearing more hamhanded explaining for this issue wellst0nev0ter Jan 2021 #234

She also said this the day trump signed the bill containing the $600 payment less than 3 wks ago: George II Jan 2021 #175

TY for that AOC tweet that says she's Cha Jan 2021 #186

This is the end of the discussion, IMO BannonsLiver Jan 2021 #203

I think you're correct, and it looks like it has come to an end. Facts rule! George II Jan 2021 #207

Doesn't really get much clearer than that. n/t Captain Stern Jan 2021 #219

💥 BOOM 🤯 NurseJackie Jan 2021 #223

Math n/t MrsMatt Jan 2021 #179

I agree. nt BainsBane Jan 2021 #190

I WOULD RATHER the $600 she & others are dithering about go to unemployed and underployed, people Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2021 #196

I've had some of my more whacky friends on social media bitch about this too. Music Man Jan 2021 #206

Whine whine whine treestar Jan 2021 #216

Okay, I'm going to get hate here but my thought was Biden meant a full $2000.00. This $600 was 1 PA_jen Jan 2021 #226

That $600 was on Republicans, and Trump, they were getting a lot of flack, people hurting Autumn Jan 2021 #228

You're correct. That's what he meant. And even AOC and Tlaib meant $2000, too..... George II Jan 2021 #229

OMG! It appears that you and I's previous observations were correct... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #231

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jan 2021 #236

Guess what, Bernie Sanders agrees with Biden and the additional $1400.... George II Jan 2021 #241

Okay Bernie agrees. When I saw Biden's tweet I took it as a full $2,000 beside the $600. PA_jen Jan 2021 #242

Someone put it all together in one tweet. This should clear up the discussion: George II Jan 2021 #237

So she understood ALL ALONG that the total benefit would be $2000 ($600 + $1400)... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #240