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slightlv

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19. but it didn't use to be this way
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 09:09 PM
Jun 2021

Big corp used to have obligations to the Shareholders, not the stockholders. Shareholders included workers, investors, and the community around it. We're used to being told about obligations to stockholders, but remember, it doesn't have to be this way... and it wasn't prior to this.

Big Corp could be pressed to pay livable wages, give back a certain amount to the community, as well as to investors; they all had to shared the profits. The one thing that WAS really different was the amount of difference between the highest paid worker and the lowest paid "official." The difference was much, much, much less than it was today -- and these fatcats did just fine back then.

Big Corp also had rules and regulations it had to follow. I'm not totally against capitalism; I'm against the laisses faire capitalism we have today. Reagan started stripping regs they had to follow; what WE all understood was it meant WE would pay more for any service or product Big Corp workers produced, while, with inflation under Reagan, we had to accept lower wages to stay employed, while paying more for everything else. And the air and water would get worse around us. Did you know even Nixon tried to get Healthcare revamped? His most notable, to me, was trying to institute an HMO - where when you go in, no money out of pocket would be demanded, and no bills to follow. I remember this 'cause to me it made sense, and was modeled on the medical service of the military at that time. Now, they've even outsourced the military health care!

This is why you'll see that regular workers have not advanced in salary, vis a vis, then and now. Reagan was the beginning of Ayn Randian libertarianism -- i.e., "every man for himself" and "all of it for me." Horribly, those pulling the strings and policies behind the scenes for Reagan are still around today. IMO, THESE guys are the "deep state" everyone should be concerned about -- Cheney, Feith, Greenspan (altho he did have a somewhat "come to Jesus" moment), as well as ALEC, Heritage, and the other Dark Money groups.

I would say that how well an owner accurately makes that sort of assessment determines whether their Hugh_Lebowski Jun 2021 #1
Capitalism isn't really a system Silent3 Jun 2021 #2
That's a peculiar statement. PETRUS Jun 2021 #30
You're listing a lot of acts of aggression and greed Silent3 Jun 2021 #34
... PETRUS Jun 2021 #35
I am not unfamilar with the historical perspective you're talking about... Silent3 Jun 2021 #36
I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph. PETRUS Jun 2021 #40
I guess a bunch of words need qualification Silent3 Jun 2021 #54
Thanks for continuing the conversation. PETRUS Jun 2021 #55
Big Corps with stocks are hogtied to making a profit for the stockholders and taking from the... Brainfodder Jun 2021 #3
but it didn't use to be this way slightlv Jun 2021 #19
Thanks for your thoughtful post. smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #22
I am well aware, that is why I am furious. Brainfodder Jun 2021 #25
Capitalism relies on inventiveness to solve a problem. cachukis Jun 2021 #4
What other economic system functions as well? comradebillyboy Jun 2021 #5
It can't be reformed I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2021 #6
It has to be reformed for it to continue. Adam Smith's analysis cachukis Jun 2021 #8
I never managed to finish reading The Wealth of Nations Sapient Donkey Jun 2021 #26
Appreciate the insight. Didn't finish it either. cachukis Jun 2021 #28
By the way, have you read Sapience by Harari? cachukis Jun 2021 #29
It's about power in ownership. RegularJam Jun 2021 #7
I agree slightlv Jun 2021 #20
The real problem with (under-regulated) capitalism is inevitable concentration of wealth Mysterian Jun 2021 #9
Owners? Who are the owners? MineralMan Jun 2021 #10
The question isn't really about Capitalism per se. Happy Hoosier Jun 2021 #11
Truthfully, customers and the stock market determine what owners make Hoyt Jun 2021 #12
Perhaps it's consumer wisdom versus moneymaker wile. cachukis Jun 2021 #13
I've always thought ymetca Jun 2021 #14
Humans have needs that must be met, or we die. MineralMan Jun 2021 #16
Agreed! ymetca Jun 2021 #18
That's a non-sequitur. PETRUS Jun 2021 #31
Not really Zeitghost Jun 2021 #33
No such centrally controlled system has ever succeeded for long. MineralMan Jun 2021 #38
No, I described commerce. The exchange of something valuable for MineralMan Jun 2021 #37
Huh? PETRUS Jun 2021 #41
All economic systems function on an exchange basis for transactions. MineralMan Jun 2021 #43
I don't require your interest. PETRUS Jun 2021 #44
That's good. MineralMan Jun 2021 #45
Some thoughts. PETRUS Jun 2021 #50
In Norway, it is considered KT2000 Jun 2021 #15
Capitalism can only work if it is tightly regulated to protect labor, consumers and the environment ShazamIam Jun 2021 #17
Capitalism is the balls of nature. Condoms, meh, birth control cachukis Jun 2021 #21
So exploiting others is natural. I disagree when the evidence shows that we advance when we ShazamIam Jun 2021 #23
Not saying I am fond of the capitalism within which we live, cachukis Jun 2021 #24
Owners are the most valuable members of a business. Mosby Jun 2021 #27
There are very few large enterprises that are individually-owned. MineralMan Jun 2021 #39
Employers do not set wages Zeitghost Jun 2021 #32
Republicanism is the problem with Capitalism gulliver Jun 2021 #42
This! peggysue2 Jun 2021 #48
Thank you. betsuni Jun 2021 #51
What would you replace it with? MoonRiver Jun 2021 #46
That is precisely the question, isn't it? MineralMan Jun 2021 #47
Exactly! And I still await the OP's rebut. MoonRiver Jun 2021 #49
Something about a revolution where the workers rally, speaking truth to power, billionaires are betsuni Jun 2021 #52
As a small business (law firm) owner, I think your premise is incorrect. TomSlick Jun 2021 #53
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