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femmedem

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18. That's a good statistic and I thank you for sharing it.

Wed Jul 21, 2021, 07:07 PM

Jul 2021

They are certainly effective vaccines. almost miraculously so. As I stated in the OP, I am not at all trying to discourage anyone from getting vaccinated.

But it does appear to be less effective against the Delta variant when including mild or asymptomatic cases. I want to know how easy it is for vaccinated people with mild cases to infect others. Based on the Texas Democratic legislators' experiences, it seems to be fairly easy.

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43% of new covid cases in MA are breakthrough cases [View all] femmedem Jul 2021 OP

But what percent of the hospitalized are breakthrough? NightWatcher Jul 2021 #1

That's certainly true. My concern is people with mild or asymptomatic cases infecting children femmedem Jul 2021 #4

And long haul can & does result from mild & asymptomatic cases SheltieLover Jul 2021 #6

I didn't know that. femmedem Jul 2021 #9

Pls read all of post #4 this thread SheltieLover Jul 2021 #30

Thank you. n/t femmedem Jul 2021 #52

Yw! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #62

Do you have a link for that? TheRickles Jul 2021 #24

I read a theory that long-haul Covid is really a reactivation of Epstein-Barr virus by Covid meadowlander Jul 2021 #26

Interesting, thanks for the link. TheRickles Jul 2021 #29

I have lupus so I'm concerned too NightWatcher Jul 2021 #7

Yeah, it's not fun knowledge to have. But it's better to know the risks and take precautions. femmedem Jul 2021 #11

Agreed!!! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #32

From July 14 - 79 breakthrough deaths womanofthehills Jul 2021 #37

It's mutating quickly because people use conventant reasons not to get vaxxed. marble falls Jul 2021 #2

What was the hospitalization rate for the breakthroughs vs non-vaccinated? Amishman Jul 2021 #3

No info on that in the article, but I assume few, if any. However, femmedem Jul 2021 #8

Omg!!! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #33

unfortunately, no. We're choosing candidates and they wanted the vote to be in person. femmedem Jul 2021 #50

Ding is a total nut job BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #72

Someone should inform MSNBC BradAllison Jul 2021 #73

Nah, nut job alarmists bring all the viewers to the yard BannonsLiver Jul 2021 #74

All I have read so far was the 79 breakthrough cases who died womanofthehills Jul 2021 #43

And what percentage of MA residents are vaccinated? 11cents Jul 2021 #5

63% are fully vaccinated as of yesterday. femmedem Jul 2021 #16

4,357,007 have been fully vaccinated, per your website link. roamer65 Jul 2021 #17

That's a good statistic and I thank you for sharing it. femmedem Jul 2021 #18

Jerusalem Times found fully vaxed Pfizer to be 64% effective against delta SheltieLover Jul 2021 #35

And NYT said J&J was less effective against Delta womanofthehills Jul 2021 #39

Warning people who visited Provincetown to quarantine womanofthehills Jul 2021 #44

+1, doctors would be ecstatic if the flew vaccine gave those numbers. uponit7771 Jul 2021 #34

At least in MA Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #21

No wonder Florida's cases are going through the roof. LisaL Jul 2021 #69

hard to evaluate what that means because with vaccinated persons symptoms are more wiggs Jul 2021 #10

One way to evaluate it is that 14% of all their reported breakthrough cases were last week. n/t femmedem Jul 2021 #13

Huh? OilemFirchen Jul 2021 #19

My question too. Treefrog Jul 2021 #23

exactly my point. breakthroughs are probably under reported. nt wiggs Jul 2021 #70

Two points of data not provided that change the tone of the article... haele Jul 2021 #12

Those are indeed missing. femmedem Jul 2021 #14

Dr. Fauci said yesterday before Congress that about 5% of hospitalizations are from vaccinated totodeinhere Jul 2021 #22

+1, that's tracking along with what's expected. Still wouldn't want this but its good to know that uponit7771 Jul 2021 #36

Those are better stats than the flu shot has. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2021 #41

It would be interesting to know the vaccines that they received... OnDoutside Jul 2021 #15

If breakthrough cases are increasing Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #20

6. Which vaccine or is it all of them? lame54 Jul 2021 #57

I think all Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #65

This "breakthrough cases" category is gonna be misleading to people gulliver Jul 2021 #25

Also misleading is defining a "case" as a positive PCR test, TheRickles Jul 2021 #51

My take is that they are still cases because they are transmissable to others. femmedem Jul 2021 #59

At least one very large study showed that asymptomatic people are not spreaders. TheRickles Jul 2021 #66

But that study was before the delta variant existed. femmedem Jul 2021 #68

Good point. triron Jul 2021 #63

Some crazy numbers compared to what CDC has been feeding AlexSFCA Jul 2021 #27

Exactly. The CDC has only been reporting breakthrough hospitalizations abnd deaths. femmedem Jul 2021 #53

What does "a breakthrough case" actually mean? TheRickles Jul 2021 #28

Most people aren't getting tested if they don't have symptoms. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #47

Makes sense, but I'd like to see some documentation of it. TheRickles Jul 2021 #49

That's because MA has most people vaccinated. MA has the 2nd highest vaccination rate at 72% Quixote1818 Jul 2021 #31

Beat Me To It! ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #40

They are doing great with their vaccine rate. 72% have had one vaccine. femmedem Jul 2021 #45

but it is so much more scary to frame it as in the op. Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #71

K&R UTUSN Jul 2021 #38

It doesn't surprise me. My mother just spoke with an old friend. Crunchy Frog Jul 2021 #42

Thank you for sharing this story. femmedem Jul 2021 #46

Chill: One in 865 vaccinated Gilbert Moore Jul 2021 #48

Correct. But you also have to consider that the Delta variant has only begun to take off. femmedem Jul 2021 #55

Any statisticians here? ecstatic Jul 2021 #54

I'm not a statistician at all, but I believe that figure is still accurate for severe cases. femmedem Jul 2021 #58

All you know is that they tested positive. triron Jul 2021 #64

Proof we need to keep wearing masks... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #56

Me too. n/t femmedem Jul 2021 #60

What are the Hospitalization and death rates compared to those without vaccines JI7 Jul 2021 #61

That's the key question, but it gets obscured by the focus on "cases", which has come to mean TheRickles Jul 2021 #67