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Sympthsical

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67. Moderates have been getting everything they want, and yet . . .
Wed Aug 4, 2021, 12:59 PM
Aug 2021

We got the moderate presidential candidate. Moderates mostly won their primaries. Moderates will win the NYC mayoralty.

And yet, there is ever this impulse to somehow blame the Left for all bad things.

How is it the moderates are forever getting their way within the party, and yet all these spectacular wins aren't miraculously materializing? All this strategy we're told we need to win happens, and then we're not doing so great?

Keeps happening. Weird, right? 2018 was a direct rebuke to Trump. He was that awful. But then we nearly lost the presidential election to Donald J Trump during a mismanaged pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands. Yes, Biden won the popular vote overwhelmingly, but those margins in electoral college states were razor thin. Flip around a few votes, and it could've easily been a repeat of 2016. Our House majority nearly vanished. We are holding onto Congress by our fingernails. During a pandemic that Republicans fucked up royally. Ya don't think we should've done quite a bit better there?

The Left didn't direct the party in 2020. The moderates charted the whole course. 2022 is not shaping up to be any better.

How much electoral mediocrity and near failure can moderates generate before an honest assessment will be taken about what we're doing wrong? How are the people without power constantly blamed by those who are directing our efforts? It's preposterous on its face.

Demographics are changing. Voters under 45 are far more progressive. They are far closer to the Squad. Our fastest growing racial demographic - Latinos - are closer to the Squad. They went for Sanders in the primary. Older voters and social conservatives are the ones keeping things as they are. Actual votes have born this out. As time passes, the party's going to change. And all the resistance and attacks and attempts to push progressives to the sidelines won't change that. It's just alienating future voters.

Temporary political power within the party is just that. Our leadership is very old. They will not be there in ten years. The AOCs will. It's a matter of preparing for it, or resisting it vigorously until you're dragged along kicking and screaming. How much damage to the future of the party do people want to do here?

Tick tock.

I disagree with one thing... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #1
Right now Nina and Jill are commiserating with each other. Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #5
I hope you're wrong... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #8
I don't think Nina Turner will be back as an elected official. And I believe a new coalition is Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #22
Those on the far left fringes like ("People's Party founder) Nina Turner, Stein, Sarandon, etc NurseJackie Aug 2021 #28
unfortunately I believe she'll be back in the good graces of CNN.... Kahuna Aug 2021 #39
Yes, we are on to her! She is exposed now for everyone to see. Just too caustic and self serving PortTack Aug 2021 #41
You beat me to it! DFW Aug 2021 #46
I agree with a lot of what you are saying TheFarseer Aug 2021 #51
You're correct. It doesn't. NurseJackie Aug 2021 #53
I don't even see Turner as a "far left" candidate PatSeg Aug 2021 #54
Perfect! NurseJackie Aug 2021 #56
Oh yes, I agree PatSeg Aug 2021 #58
I saw a brief clip of her "non concession" speech this morning. panader0 Aug 2021 #2
She had MORE money than Brown. (Her money was "holy". Brown's was "evil.) 😂🤣😂🤣 NurseJackie Aug 2021 #4
The whole "evil money" treads mighty close to, if not within the bounds of antisemitism. PunkinPi Aug 2021 #10
Never fails. When in a corner, blame Israel question everything Aug 2021 #19
I'm sure I saw every single ad... Chili Aug 2021 #52
What they saw were the slogans Medicare for All and Green New Deal. betsuni Aug 2021 #6
Sanders isn't a Dem. nycbos Aug 2021 #9
But the Democratic Party is willing to accept most of his policy ideas. kentuck Aug 2021 #11
Sanders, at the least, doesn't go out of his way to attack Dems... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #44
And she was getting PAC money from groups that support Erdogan in Turkey mcar Aug 2021 #69
I'm inclined to agree with nurse Jackie Nikossitti Aug 2021 #3
She ran as a Democrat only because her party - whatever the hell its name was - Ocelot II Aug 2021 #7
According to "The People's Party" (which she co-founded) Nina originally WANTED to run as a "People' NurseJackie Aug 2021 #43
Bernie knows how to play ball, she didn't Johnny2X2X Aug 2021 #12
Very true. kentuck Aug 2021 #13
I echoed this above in my post #44... Wounded Bear Aug 2021 #45
How would you characterize it when someone refers to Democrats as "Coastal Elites"... NurseJackie Aug 2021 #49
Analyses have shown that Sanders actually brought very few if any voters "to the table".... George II Aug 2021 #63
I have to respectfully disagree. Of the 50 Senators in the Democratic caucus.... George II Aug 2021 #61
If He Knows HOw To Play Ball Why Did He Skip A Very Important Vote Me. Aug 2021 #66
I disagree with you on the voting bloc mcar Aug 2021 #70
She wanted to come to DC to be a MTG-like bomb thrower. No doubt in my mind. hlthe2b Aug 2021 #14
She's a bomb thrower and little else Sympthsical Aug 2021 #15
AOC and Bernie are not out to burn the Democratic Party down. Big damned difference. hlthe2b Aug 2021 #16
I think Bernie felt obligated to Turner because she was so supportive in his campaigns... kentuck Aug 2021 #17
I think that was part of it Sympthsical Aug 2021 #26
I don't think it's ultimately going to matter Sympthsical Aug 2021 #23
Good points. kentuck Aug 2021 #32
Yes, and unfortunately Katie Porter in her South Orange Nixie Aug 2021 #24
Nope. Ohio is not particularly progressive. I live in the 11th district and voted for Shontel. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #27
Thanks and congratulations, Dems! Every good person we can Hortensis Aug 2021 #33
We'll see, won't we Sympthsical Aug 2021 #36
These headlines make me smile LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #37
That's nice Sympthsical Aug 2021 #40
Nina Turner's loss in Ohio means Biden doesn't need to keep caving to the left LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #73
I didn't read any of that Sympthsical Aug 2021 #74
I believe she and Jill are part of the coup Evergreen Emerald Aug 2021 #18
Though not a fan of conspiracy theories, I tend to agree about the infiltration. Follow the money! DFW Aug 2021 #55
Except, Sanders is NOT a Democrat never has been a Democrat question everything Aug 2021 #20
Let's hope this is nearing the last of it. The AOC types are Nixie Aug 2021 #21
Given our situation in the Senate and the fact that there is a Republican governor in Vermont, I Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #30
The Republican governor there is very moderate. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #38
Sanders won voters under 45 two to one in the 2020 primary Sympthsical Aug 2021 #31
Perhaps your wishful party. Not mine question everything Aug 2021 #48
Moderates have been getting everything they want, and yet . . . Sympthsical Aug 2021 #67
Had Sanders won such voters...he would have won. Many didn't show up. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #62
Yeah, turn out wasn't great with younger voters Sympthsical Aug 2021 #68
I agree with your opinion mcar Aug 2021 #25
She SAID publicly that she was running as a Democrat to infiltrate the Hortensis Aug 2021 #29
+1. People who think she's a Democrat are naive. dalton99a Aug 2021 #34
One supporter of hers is blaming Jews. Mosby Aug 2021 #57
Holy shit! XanaDUer2 Aug 2021 #35
I trade Nina for Liz Cheney. Rustyeye77 Aug 2021 #42
She declare that as long as there is a God she will...... You fill in the blank as we diehardblue Aug 2021 #47
I think the support of Sanders is what ultimately took her out of the race. LizBeth Aug 2021 #50
Nina was not really a member of the Democratic Party LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2021 #59
sounds like 'blue dogs', more than Turner bigtree Aug 2021 #60
I live in the district...and I really like Shontel. But this is a discussion of Nina Turner... Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #64
its a cottage industry bigtree Aug 2021 #71
Turner's just one many who have real talent but sabotage themselves. Hortensis Aug 2021 #65
Imo she is crazy and unstable Meowmee Aug 2021 #72
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