Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
1. Then it's also time to shut up about a lot of things
Wed Oct 13, 2021, 01:38 PM
Oct 2021

Some, but not all, of these "corporations don't pay taxes / get subsidies" things are because they are doing stuff we told them to do and offered to pay them to do.

If you want government to subsidize things like wind, solar, and renewable carbon (biodiesel and biomethane), then you are going to have to accept the fact that the government is going to pay Shell to do that.

https://www.shell.com/energy-and-innovation/new-energies/wind.html


"Shell first invested in US onshore wind in 2001. Today we have four operating wind farms onshore in the USA. These are:

Rock River (Wyoming)

Shell has been delivering renewable wind power from the Rock River windfarm in Wyoming, USA, since 2001. Rock River, which Shell co-owns with US renewables company, Terra-Gen, produces enough electricity to power 25,000 US homes.

Brazos (Texas)

The Brazos windfarm in Fluvanna, Texas, sits south east of Lubbock, on the Caprock of the Llano Estacado and is fully operated by Shell. The 160-megawatt site consists of 160 Mitsubishi turbines and can provide enough energy to power around 48,000 US homes.

Whitewater Hill (California)

Shell co-owns Whitewater Hill with US renewables company Terra-Gen. The 61.5-megawatt wind farm, located north-west of Palm Springs, California, has more than 1,400 turbines and generates over 520 megawatts. Each year, the project is estimated to produce enough energy to power around 12,000 US homes.

Cabazon (California)

Cabazon is also co-owned with Terra-Gen and features 62 turbines that can produce 660 kilowatts. The 41-megawatt wind farm is located in the San Gorgonio Pass west of Palm Springs, California. Each year, the project is estimated to produce enough electricity to power around 12,000 US homes."


We provide subsidy and tax incentives to companies like Shell to do things like that.

If the argument is "let's stop subsidizing or providing tax incentives for stuff", that's fine. But at least be honest about the fact that some of those subsidies and tax incentives are for things we wanted in the first place.
Then it's also time to shut up about a lot of things Effete Snob Oct 2021 #1
That isn't the argument. This is why simplistic memes don't work well. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #4
This Effete Snob Oct 2021 #8
Bumper sticker "logic" can be effective sometimes. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #17
They've done outstandingly shitty things, to be sure Effete Snob Oct 2021 #18
True. Caliman73 Oct 2021 #19
As long as we don't mind fucking over indigenous South Americans Effete Snob Oct 2021 #21
Your average person gets turned off with too much information. hadEnuf Oct 2021 #23
True Effete Snob Oct 2021 #24
When the utility companies can put a meter on a sunbeam Marthe48 Oct 2021 #12
And it's another good example of an empty and meaningless slogan Effete Snob Oct 2021 #13
But I don't like any of those things. hunter Oct 2021 #5
Shell receives subidies for solar, wind and biocarbon products Effete Snob Oct 2021 #7
I don't want anybody to be subsidized for... hunter Oct 2021 #11
I get that Effete Snob Oct 2021 #14
I understand what you are saying OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #20
Here's a concrete example: Effete Snob Oct 2021 #2
And these disgusting corporate welfare payments continue still, while the Fossil Fuels ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2021 #3
Now do Chevron... Raster Oct 2021 #6
There should be one of these using each oil company logo. calimary Oct 2021 #28
HELL YES!!! Raster Oct 2021 #30
Royal Dutch Shell Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #9
Awww... now, now, now.... Effete Snob Oct 2021 #15
Anglo-Dutch company Klaralven Oct 2021 #29
And there is a good chance that Bob (or Barbara) is in the military. progressoid Oct 2021 #10
Ag subsidies pay damned good too. czarjak Oct 2021 #16
I am so sick of corporate welfare. The Jungle 1 Oct 2021 #22
So am I, my friend. calimary Oct 2021 #26
Never underestimate the ability of DU to have a NoMoreRepugs Oct 2021 #25
ronny raygun never mentioned welfare kings. pansypoo53219 Oct 2021 #27
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»"Its Time To Shut Up Abou...»Reply #1