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WhiskeyGrinder

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165. Solitary confinement doesn't mean "in a cage by themselves next to other people's cages."

Reply to PTWB (Reply #153)

Wed Dec 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

Dec 2021

It's a complete and utter cutting-off of all human contact. It's torture.

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Eric Adams: "You can only question me if you wore a bulletproof vest" [View all] wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 OP

Well, That certainly seems like a good way to start things off...... Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #1

I see a clown show in the offing. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #3

Happy that I don't live in the area Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #4

Why, didn't you watch the video? He'll be a great Mayor, better than many of his predecessors. George II Dec 2021 #62

But what was portrayed in the OP isn't what Adams really said. I agree though, a good way to start. George II Dec 2021 #53

It was well known that this guy is a right wing authoritarian before he was elected tenderfoot Dec 2021 #2

A few Brooklyn-based party activists need to explain why he was the best choice wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #7

ROFL greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #13

Guess I'll just head to a Crotona cookout wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #20

Doing the winter break in Aspen with the Groton-Smiths of Darien greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #27

The PAC checks don't write themselves wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #28

I LOL'd KG Dec 2021 #17

He wasn't elected by a few Brooklyn-based party activists, he was elected by the people of NYC.... George II Dec 2021 #82

I live in Highbridge wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #91

Mayor-elect Eric Adams got 73% of the votes. A big reason why it was a "low turnout election" is.... George II Dec 2021 #118

I recall there was a primary wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #121

I mentioned the primary in the post you responded to. He won that primary in the first round AND... George II Dec 2021 #130

The article I posted referred to the primary wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #133

Which article is that? "This is really not as complicated as you make it seem." George II Dec 2021 #136

Look up about four posts up wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #137

I did see that, but it was irrelevant to this discussion. Michael Rothfeld is a cheerleader for... George II Dec 2021 #142

He wrote a total of one article on Sliwa wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #148

Well, I guess he is better than Sliwa. I guess. Maybe. GoneOffShore Dec 2021 #160

He wasn't my first choice electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #177

I voted for him Polybius Dec 2021 #144

If I still lived in NYC I would have voted for him. Despite the slings and arrows he's facing.... George II Dec 2021 #163

The malignant narcissist politicans are everywhere. Thomas Hurt Dec 2021 #5

He told everyone who he was. No surprises here. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #6

True fucking story greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #12

Maybe I missed certain things... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #179

Good luck NY. dem4decades Dec 2021 #8

Fascist Think Kid Berwyn Dec 2021 #9

Truth and respect for differences are necessary for democracy. Hortensis Dec 2021 #101

I spent some time in an undeclared war zone without a bullet proof vest gratuitous Dec 2021 #10

Jeez...you're going to disrupt his biggest DU fans from their usual greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #11

Wait...so, he's basically saying that the City Council Bettie Dec 2021 #14

No, that's not what he said. On this issue, 29 mostly NEW members sent him an obnoxious letter.... George II Dec 2021 #183

That's not what he said. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #15

What did he say then? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #16

Okay, guess that answers *that* question wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #18

No... your quote is incorrect. He did NOT say what you claim he said. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #23

I see you failed to provide the "right" quote wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #26

That's your job. What are you afraid of? NurseJackie Dec 2021 #29

I provided the video wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #30

And your "quote" was incorrect. That's deceptive. Purely accidental I'm sure. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #31

Then what was the correct quote? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #32

Be honest. Correct your mistake. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #33

The quote is right there wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #34

It's can be tough to admit being wrong, but it's a sign of honesty and integrity. Torchlight Dec 2021 #38

You're really going to make a big deal of a paraphrase? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #40

Hm sheshe2 Dec 2021 #55

This you? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #57

Yes that was my thread. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #64

Then we should all practice what you preach wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #67

I am posting facts, not ridiculing a member. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #74

You said falsely that I provided an inaccurate quote wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #80

But you did. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #83

No, the title was a paraphrase wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #84

You put quote "" marks in your title. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #104

So no quote marks means all is right in the world? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #110

You quoted a non quote. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #115

I quoted a paraphrase wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #116

A paraphrase is not a direct quote sheshe2 Dec 2021 #120

Yes, and I assume you don't expatiate on internet forum writing style wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #125

Okay, I'll offer an olive leaf wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #114

A quote is a quote. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #117

You don't read edited interviews, do you? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #119

You "quoted"an article. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #124

Call it "edited due to space" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #129

That's not how quotes work Zeitghost Dec 2021 #212

Or you can imagine the quote marks aren't there wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #214

He paraphrased a partial quote and then put quotation marks around it as if it were an actual quote. lapucelle Dec 2021 #198

Here's the right quote. lapucelle Dec 2021 #196

Watch the video. Tomconroy Dec 2021 #19

What did he say? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #21

What he said is in the OP's tweet, and it is entirely different from the OP's subject line. Why? George II Dec 2021 #36

You know why. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #59

No, why? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #81

You posted it. sheshe2 Dec 2021 #86

No, you know better than all of us wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #94

It's in the tweet and in the video. You posted it, surely you know what he said, right? George II Dec 2021 #37

That's why I paraphrased it wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #45

You didn't paraphrase it, you rewrote it. George II Dec 2021 #191

This is one of these times wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #193

You put "quotation marks" around it, meaning it's a direct quote of Mayor-elect Adams, even though.. George II Dec 2021 #194

Style Guide? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #195

My Guy? sheshe2 Dec 2021 #199

Fact remains, he never said "You can only question me if you wore a bulletproof vest".... George II Dec 2021 #207

Why would anyone invoking "[publishing] industry truth", be unaware of the correct reference tool lapucelle Dec 2021 #206

Do you know what paraphrasing is? Meh. Nt JanMichael Dec 2021 #22

Yes. Do you know what QUOTE MARKS mean? Meh. nt. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #24

Post removed Post removed Dec 2021 #25

Bazinga! sheshe2 Dec 2021 #108

That's far from an accurate quote of Mayor-elect Eric Adams. George II Dec 2021 #35

Oh my god wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #42

Did you watch the video? What did he say, your quote or the tweeter's quote. There is only one..... George II Dec 2021 #43

What did Adams say again? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #47

The text is in the tweet that you included in your OP, and also in the video. Suggest you watch it. George II Dec 2021 #52

Aaand that's why it's included in my OP wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #54

So why are you changing what he really said? As for repeating it, it's in this thread.... George II Dec 2021 #60

Because titles in OPs have character limits wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #65

You could have given the first part of his EXACT quote and used.... George II Dec 2021 #68

Didn't know that was in the DU bylaws... wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #71

Well, it's common sense. And I don't play golf so don't call me "Tiger", okay? George II Dec 2021 #73

Common sense recognizes a paraphrase when they see it wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #77

Not in quote marks! 🤣😂🤣😂🤪😜 NurseJackie Dec 2021 #88

Drop Dead wasn't enclosed by quotation marks. What you presented was, so it wasn't.... George II Dec 2021 #90

Lol! wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #93

Whatever, you've already misrepresented (and misquoted) what Adams said, so do what you want.... George II Dec 2021 #97

No, his exact quotes are in the post wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #99

It's not at all common to put quotes around something that's paraphrased. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #102

It is in interviews wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #105

That's hysterical! NurseJackie Dec 2021 #106

Yes, industry truth is hilarious wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #109

It's not the truth. It's farce. Anyone who has even bothered to read this far... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #112

Yeah, it's pretty farcical wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #113

No, the farce is how absurdly the defense and excuses are... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #126

"Everyone living in the real world knows it." wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #128

AP Stylebook: Single quotation marks for headlines that are direct quotes. N/T lapucelle Dec 2021 #200

I spent most of my adult life in the publishing industry as a journalist MineralMan Dec 2021 #168

This is a very silly discussion wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #169

Oh, it matters. MineralMan Dec 2021 #172

You're applying your journalistic standards to a forum post wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #173

Look, you wrote countless replies to people in this thread MineralMan Dec 2021 #174

This reads like a parody of what a scold would say wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #176

He initiated "the whole journalism thing" with references invoking publishing industrstry standards. lapucelle Dec 2021 #208

Oh, well... MineralMan Dec 2021 #209

No. Only the great and embarrassing lengths that some take in their quest to defend the indefensible NurseJackie Dec 2021 #203

"I see you have still not edited your OP. You should." --- Don't hold your breath. NurseJackie Dec 2021 #204

Obstinacy is a constant problem in politics. MineralMan Dec 2021 #205

Actually it says MORE (and not in a good way) about anyone who denies reality... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #201

Now it is "sparky" instead of "sport" sheshe2 Dec 2021 #111

LOL! MineralMan Dec 2021 #178

LOL greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #46

Lol, exactly wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #48

Haaaaaa! greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #51

That was pressure? It's clear you didn't grow up in Brooklyn or NYC. George II Dec 2021 #70

Oh, wow... wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #75

I grew up in NYC greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #140

Don't you you think in essence that it's the same... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #182

Not even close to being the same. But the second half of your post is very much what he said.... George II Dec 2021 #184

Oh... Der on me! I didn't realize that this was from... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #186

Not all 29 are new, but many of them are. I don't know the actual breakdown. George II Dec 2021 #187

TY 👍 Bookmarked. Will read later, or Fri Lotsa of errands and cleaningto do! electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #190

He just lost the violent criminals who assault COs and inmates Tomconroy Dec 2021 #39

Bazinga! George II Dec 2021 #44

NYC loves Mayor-elect Adams! Tomconroy Dec 2021 #50

Bazinga X 2! Yes, they love him. He'll be the first Mayor who grew up on the streets.... George II Dec 2021 #58

He also lost Kalief Browder wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #69

If you actually watch the video clip the first thing he says Tomconroy Dec 2021 #211

Yes, he supports "punitive segregation" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #215

He may have won the votes of the inmates he is protecting from violent assault by other inmates. lapucelle Dec 2021 #210

NYC needs a strong mayor. Zeitghost Dec 2021 #41

I'm really impressed with him. He's the first really hard-ass Mayor I've seen since..... George II Dec 2021 #49

Smiling while advocating torture is kinda gross. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #78

How did he advocate torture? George II Dec 2021 #87

By saying he'll reverse the current policy against solitary confinement. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #92

The last hard-ass mayor was Rudy Sewa Dec 2021 #159

That was my immediate thought... (uh,oh)... Otoh... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Dec 2021 #56

Troubling when context-free ecstatic Dec 2021 #61

He used criminals as an excuse to dismiss city council members' concerns about solitary confinement wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #63

Ok so I finally watched the clip and the substance of what Adams is saying ecstatic Dec 2021 #150

Solitary confinement was abolished because it was subject to abuse wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #152

The context is in the video. He explained it and his position clearly. George II Dec 2021 #66

Yes, and he said he's going to ignore certain constituents wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #72

What exactly did he say? I don't think he said he'd "ignore certain constituents", did he? George II Dec 2021 #76

"What I'm Going To Do" wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #79

That's not in the subject line of your OP. Clearly he said a lot more than those few words. George II Dec 2021 #85

Glad I'm not a stickler for style wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #96

It's not style, it's a misquote for whatever reason it was done. George II Dec 2021 #98

You would go crazy when you realize how newspapers edit quotes wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #100

No I wouldn't, especially since newspapers don't edit quotes and then print them in quotes.... George II Dec 2021 #103

I already explained earlier in this thread, dude wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #107

No you didn't, but whatever. BTW, I'm not your "dude", or "sparky" or any other disrespectful.... George II Dec 2021 #123

That type of behavior is a tell-tale indication of when someone knows that they're... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #127

Yep, you figured me out wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #134

Yes I did, and we already discussed it wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #135

You didn't and we won't. You clearly have a problem with the duly elected DEMOCRATIC Mayor.... George II Dec 2021 #138

So much for Democrats uniting wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #141

Democrats are united. Period. What do "hippies" have to do with it? The last time.... George II Dec 2021 #143

You were alive in the 60s? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #145

I was alive in the 40s. George II Dec 2021 #146

So that makes you what generation? wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #149

Why should that matter? George II Dec 2021 #167

Does it matter to you wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #170

... NurseJackie Dec 2021 #89

So you think him saying he's going to do his job and ignore distractions... George II Dec 2021 #202

Hmm, noticed that this was posted very early in the morning wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #213

Here's exactly what he said. lapucelle Dec 2021 #197

Mayor-Elect Eric Adams gets great press coverage all over the world! Tomconroy Dec 2021 #95

He's going to be an excellent Mayor, a representative of ALL the people. George II Dec 2021 #131

In the Democratic Primary, none of my five RCVs went to Adams..... brooklynite Dec 2021 #122

And yet he still led in all 8 rounds and won the nomination and the general election. George II Dec 2021 #132

Although I have heard you say this before, it always surprises me Polybius Dec 2021 #151

I've never said I'm a conservative Democrat brooklynite Dec 2021 #155

Is it too early to start thinking: President-Elect Adams? Tomconroy Dec 2021 #139

Really? BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #164

What can you say? Authoritarians are rockstars for certain people wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #166

Good for Adams Polybius Dec 2021 #147

I don't like the idea of solitary confinement and I think it should be used sparingly at most. PTWB Dec 2021 #153

North Dakota implemeted Behavioral Intervention Units wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #156

All prisons should remove solitary confinement as a punishment for petty violations. PTWB Dec 2021 #158

I've got an idea if that doesn't work Polybius Dec 2021 #161

Solitary confinement doesn't mean "in a cage by themselves next to other people's cages." WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #165

He should talk to them instead of dismiss them outright wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #157

That's what he said he wanted to do instead of receiving Tomconroy Dec 2021 #162

well we have a "Democrat" who acts like a fascist now. ZonkerHarris Dec 2021 #154

They elected a corrupt NYC cop budkin Dec 2021 #171

That's not the way it works Eric Davis -- you get questioned by all. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #175

He's right JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #180

Almost like being a cop and having an authoritarian personality have some sort of relationship! Spider Jerusalem Dec 2021 #181

Adams understand the streets better than the typical white Dem. radius777 Dec 2021 #188

Cool, now do the Black and Brown councilmembers wellst0nev0ter Dec 2021 #189

Ah, I remember that (100 Blacks in LE) electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #192