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When it comes to war I don't believe a walkingman Feb 2022 #1
So President Biden is lying to you? You really want to go there? brooklynite Feb 2022 #4
Why go there? A US President might be misinformed - AGAIN! TomWilm Feb 2022 #29
Unless you imagine President is planning to invade Russia, the comparison is pointless... brooklynite Feb 2022 #33
Yes, but please do not invent more absurdities like that then ... TomWilm Feb 2022 #42
Maybe but keep in mind Biden is only stating his opinion he is not asking for cstanleytech Feb 2022 #94
..and you are MORE.informed? whathehell Feb 2022 #162
" We're a war monger country"? Compared to who? whathehell Feb 2022 #24
I am already against the next war. walkingman Feb 2022 #35
That's nice, but you didn't answer the question whathehell Feb 2022 #43
His last year of peace is what did him in Polybius Feb 2022 #236
I mean, since you mention it quakerboy Feb 2022 #99
Um. Well since you.mention that, whathehell Feb 2022 #102
Strawman quakerboy Feb 2022 #174
Not at all.. whathehell Feb 2022 #175
Thats an irrelevant question. quakerboy Feb 2022 #178
It's not, but I understand why you can't answer it. whathehell Feb 2022 #183
Its fully irrelevant to the current situation. quakerboy Feb 2022 #212
Sorry. but it is.. whathehell Feb 2022 #243
Shhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Feb 2022 #142
Would you say we shouldn't have gotten involved in WW2? brooklynite Feb 2022 #2
See #1 malaise Feb 2022 #5
If we didn't get involved in WWII, I would have never been born JohnSJ Feb 2022 #120
I seem to remember that thee then Soviet Union switched sides and joined the allies in WW2 malaise Feb 2022 #245
Yeah, they invaded Poland, ceased to recognize it as a country, Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #256
Tell that to the Jews in Auschwitz malaise Feb 2022 #259
Uh, no, that's not all. Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #260
I don't condone our going into Iraq--not then, not now. hlthe2b Feb 2022 #3
How do his desires differ from the US's malaise Feb 2022 #7
Did we leave Iraq voluntarily? Did we (while there try to take over other areas of the Middle East?) hlthe2b Feb 2022 #12
Solid Points.. Thank You! Cha Feb 2022 #96
It is all Biden's fault because Putin is threatening to invade Ukraine, at least that is the logic JohnSJ Feb 2022 #128
Yes, We Are Fortunate to have Cha Feb 2022 #138
The sanctions won't do anything dwayneb Feb 2022 #232
We support the Nato Treaty which agrees to not take other countries by force whathehell Feb 2022 #28
On the other hand, we do it through Disaster Capitalism. HUAJIAO Feb 2022 #46
Oh, so our methods, unlike those of, um, what? whathehell Feb 2022 #49
EXACTLY! ShazzieB Feb 2022 #47
You're quite welcome. whathehell Feb 2022 #51
We have a democratic society with a transition of powers. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #146
The US has also overthrown several democratic governments malaise Feb 2022 #149
So? Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #150
True, and we still offer better than what's Putin offering ... no? tia uponit7771 Feb 2022 #180
And how recently was that? nt EX500rider Feb 2022 #238
US MINIMUM acts as if maintaining plurality is important, authoritative govs are NEVER good for the uponit7771 Feb 2022 #179
Are you serious? dwayneb Feb 2022 #234
I do take Putin at his word, and that was not those ... TomWilm Feb 2022 #39
He wants the countries under his authoritarian control --not the USSR form of governance. hlthe2b Feb 2022 #44
Yes, any Putin-lover would defend Putin's wish to get rich ... TomWilm Feb 2022 #52
Actually Colonel Vindman and Fiona Hill, Michael McFaul are my sources. Yours? hlthe2b Feb 2022 #54
Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #66
Accusing DUers of spreading propaganda is not going to let you stay here long--especially hlthe2b Feb 2022 #71
Hmm..Are you a Ukranian? whathehell Feb 2022 #98
just like German pipeline , about oil & gas money !! monkeyman1 Feb 2022 #55
For whom? hlthe2b Feb 2022 #57
Waiting for Russia to play the WMDs card. Sneederbunk Feb 2022 #6
Who played it against the Japanese? malaise Feb 2022 #10
Japan was issued THREE warnings before the bomb whathehell Feb 2022 #32
Fair to say Red Mountain Feb 2022 #124
Yes it is.. whathehell Feb 2022 #148
🤔 Except incendiary bombs don't (a far as I know) don't alter genetic material of future... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #204
Not here Red Mountain Feb 2022 #121
After reading Hiroshima, and NYC in ?'70 being the first city in the USA to see Japan's... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #203
This is already happening dwayneb Feb 2022 #227
I have no problem with what "they' are saying Sherman A1 Feb 2022 #8
Many of us are old enough to remember our False Flag multigraincracker Feb 2022 #9
We are NOT doing the gulf of tonkin in this situation, it is Russia that is doing that JohnSJ Feb 2022 #13
How about WMDs? Remember the Maine? roody Feb 2022 #16
Biden is NOT lying. There are massive Russian troops on the Ukraine border, and they are not there JohnSJ Feb 2022 #25
Is Ukraine threatening to invade Russia? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #216
Russian instead of us are all about multigraincracker Feb 2022 #34
So who would you prefer living under, Putin or Biden? whathehell Feb 2022 #64
Never argue with an American self- hater. whathehell Feb 2022 #81
It is ironic that they seem to be mad at Biden because Russia is threatening to invade Ukraine JohnSJ Feb 2022 #119
They don't say, do they? If you notice, they won't whathehell Feb 2022 #132
Absolutely, and using the logic because the US has engaged in misdeeds in the past JohnSJ Feb 2022 #141
One would be hard pressed to find a powerful country whathehell Feb 2022 #210
Yes JohnSJ Feb 2022 #211
The far left and far right are heavy with conspiracy theories JI7 Feb 2022 #176
The West's false flags are always given a pass malaise Feb 2022 #14
You said it better multigraincracker Feb 2022 #36
So you'd prefer that Trumpp's pal, Putin, destroy Nato whathehell Feb 2022 #61
Western Alliance? The one that includes less hawkish France and Germany? How about Orban's Hungary? DickKessler Feb 2022 #114
Lol..Would you.prefer an aliance with Russia and it's whathehell Feb 2022 #123
Uh, using "dear" - really? That's patronizing. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #205
Oh well.. whathehell Feb 2022 #207
I opposed the invasion of Iraq and wnylib Feb 2022 #110
TY for explaining that so well. Cha Feb 2022 #169
This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #143
But you are making excuses when none need to be made. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #144
And many, like me, are old enough to remember whathehell Feb 2022 #67
ditto EOM tiredtoo Feb 2022 #130
No it isn't the same thing. JohnSJ Feb 2022 #11
Imperialist wars have been bipartisan all roody Feb 2022 #15
All my life too malaise Feb 2022 #151
word. KG Feb 2022 #249
K & R jalan48 Feb 2022 #17
Understood. No rah-rah, just a sick, sinking feeling. haele Feb 2022 #18
You speak for me malaise Feb 2022 #27
Our stance on Ukraine is NOTHING like the Reagan Bush wars.. whathehell Feb 2022 #89
I know. As does the OP. haele Feb 2022 #103
This is not an "adventure"..We're not even sending in troops. whathehell Feb 2022 #107
Okay, you got me. I was talking about the feeling that a run-up to war causes.. haele Feb 2022 #134
Ty for a very interesting post. I mostly listen to WNYC... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #209
"Reagan/Brush adventures in US hegemony" Reagan? EX500rider Feb 2022 #239
Iran Contra? haele Feb 2022 #240
I don't consider Iraq & Ukraine to be any bit alike. EX500rider Feb 2022 #241
I don't watch talking heads, so I don't care what they say... brooklynite Feb 2022 #19
Amen to this. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #50
Lots of whataboutism and deflections in this thread Hav Feb 2022 #20
+1 betsuni Feb 2022 #26
Lots of opinion "informed" by personal animosity and whathehell Feb 2022 #38
what kind of "based on other reasons..." Seems broad strokes to me. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #206
Like what? Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #217
Lol, it seems you've misunderstood -- We agree on Russia whathehell Feb 2022 #224
I must have... my apologies! NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #233
No.pronlem, Hoosier whathehell Feb 2022 #237
You bet whathehell Feb 2022 #72
I'm honestly at a loss of words seeing some replies here Hav Feb 2022 #90
"align with Russian interests", sounds like a TailGunner Joe talking point. DickKessler Feb 2022 #117
Russia is a large nuclear-armed power. Tell me exactly how we deter them. DickKessler Feb 2022 #116
'Whataboutism' at its worst. Disgusting that a well known Russian propaganda technique is so emulatorloo Feb 2022 #135
Legit points, however maxsolomon Feb 2022 #21
I agree with you but malaise Feb 2022 #22
Never. History is always written by Sociopaths. maxsolomon Feb 2022 #31
Hmm...Do you think President Biden is a "sociopath" whathehell Feb 2022 #74
No, I don't. maxsolomon Feb 2022 #79
But as President of world power America, he's writing history.. whathehell Feb 2022 #83
OK you got me maxsolomon Feb 2022 #147
Okay whathehell Feb 2022 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Feb 2022 #23
Of course they shouldn't, but Ferrets are Cool Feb 2022 #140
Thanks, malaise. This needed to be said. TheRickles Feb 2022 #30
You may think so.. whathehell Feb 2022 #85
All the more reason.... TheRickles Feb 2022 #104
Sure whathehell Feb 2022 #105
And the fact that an opinion is in the majority makes it neither correct nor important. TheRickles Feb 2022 #154
No, but whathehell Feb 2022 #160
I agree. :-) TheRickles Feb 2022 #193
Russian apologia and whataboutism doesn't need to be said n/t kcr Feb 2022 #242
"toothless unstitutions"--typo or deliberate invention of new word? hvn_nbr_2 Feb 2022 #37
A genuine typo malaise Feb 2022 #40
I love "unstitution," an institution that isn't. CaptainTruth Feb 2022 #53
They'd better credit DUer hvn_nbr_2 malaise Feb 2022 #56
Unstitution Celerity Feb 2022 #59
Never heard it before malaise Feb 2022 #62
oh, neither had I, it is just a random thing I found on google just now Celerity Feb 2022 #63
True History Kid Berwyn Feb 2022 #41
Yep malaise Feb 2022 #45
I miss Bartcop. I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #133
Bartcop was where I first posted as GoPsUx sky_masterson Feb 2022 #258
I used to write I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2022 #262
It's not "the Ukraine.". BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #48
Because "ukraine" means borderlands, and the former Soviet republic was ... dawg Feb 2022 #196
So people here are incapable of learning new terminology? BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #198
It's cute that it's such a big deal to you. dawg Feb 2022 #199
It's a big deal for people from that country. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #200
Got it 👍 Ty. electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #208
Nevervmind then. Let the old KGB authoritarian murderer of his own people go for it! Budi Feb 2022 #58
Dead on Budi dwayneb Feb 2022 #230
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2022 #254
Looking at the Ukraine situation through a relative prism, as opposed to the absolutel prism... BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #60
You have a way with words malaise Feb 2022 #65
Thank you, sir! :) BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #75
Mam😀😀😀n/t malaise Feb 2022 #77
Biden didn't lead us into Afghanistan. But he did take us out of Bush's mess. Budi Feb 2022 #69
I don't disagree with you in the slightest. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #73
The Media is 99% of why we're facing the disasterous forebodings today. Budi Feb 2022 #76
Truth. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #86
Do you have any links documenting that assertion? whathehell Feb 2022 #163
the media is being chauvinistic toward Putin? stopdiggin Feb 2022 #108
Comparing Putin to Stalin trivializes Stalin's evil. DickKessler Feb 2022 #118
probably. but this string has basically been drawing analogy stopdiggin Feb 2022 #155
The hyperbole in this thread is off the charts whathehell Feb 2022 #78
The US has an over 100 year history of intervention either military or CIA, we have done yaesu Feb 2022 #68
The military industrial complex tiredtoo Feb 2022 #70
Do you seriously believe that the US is causing this? Hav Feb 2022 #88
No, they don't..It's just another excuse for the usual suspects whathehell Feb 2022 #91
no I don't think Biden wants war tiredtoo Feb 2022 #127
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2022 #181
I never let ANYONE off the hook for voting for what was obviously a war based on LIES Skittles Feb 2022 #80
I think it's encouraging for people to realize talking head is a career, Hortensis Feb 2022 #82
Where have you gotten this info from... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #218
I'm not agreeing or condoning or accusing anyone, just saying I'm 100% fed up with wars with a RKP5637 Feb 2022 #84
Iraq was a) in 2003 and b) a colossal mistake. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #87
I doubt Iraq was a mistake AZProgressive Feb 2022 #153
Is NATO, US, Ukraine a threat to invade Russia? Martin Eden Feb 2022 #92
In all the debates here, that is the best question yet, that no one addresses. Xolodno Feb 2022 #101
The aggressor is Vladimer Putin. No one threatened him. Budi Feb 2022 #111
NATO expansion can only be viewed from Moscow as a threat to Russia. DickKessler Feb 2022 #113
Objective thinking vs how it looks to paranoid people Martin Eden Feb 2022 #131
Are we or NATO planning to invade Russia via Ukraine? Xolodno Feb 2022 #145
"Of course not" Martin Eden Feb 2022 #157
Exactly. nt Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #161
"But they think so" Martin Eden Feb 2022 #164
Then we are going to agree to disagree. Xolodno Feb 2022 #201
I'm not saying the USA has not been a bad actor on the world scene. Martin Eden Feb 2022 #202
Fuck their state stoked and useless paranoia, without the US they WOULD be attacked. They uponit7771 Feb 2022 #182
Absolutely true dwayneb Feb 2022 #229
You will get no argument from me over what happened in Iraq and the condemnation that is cstanleytech Feb 2022 #93
I've stuck to the Olympics and avoided the news. Xolodno Feb 2022 #95
Some people wanted Russia to be part of NATO?!... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #219
The US has been no angel for a long time. panader0 Feb 2022 #97
Oh, the Dulles brothers... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #220
John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and his brother Allen Dulles panader0 Feb 2022 #225
I believe that too malaise Feb 2022 #261
They cannot take on Putin alone. Budi Feb 2022 #100
Mahalo for these photos.. Cha Feb 2022 #170
If I had another heart, I would give you another one. +++++ nt Samrob Feb 2022 #106
Do you ;believe Ukraine or west is threatening to invade Russia? delisen Feb 2022 #109
Most of the mainstream media supported the illegal invasion of Iraq. They still have jobs. DickKessler Feb 2022 #115
They ran a 24/7 promo for a year +6 more for Putin's man, Donald Trump. Budi Feb 2022 #125
Yup, no accountability, ever. DickKessler Feb 2022 #126
This doesn't answer the question asked multiple times in this thread? Do you believe NATO is ... uponit7771 Feb 2022 #184
Agreed. DickKessler Feb 2022 #112
To make sure I understand, is it your position that the US should leave Ukraine to its own devices? TomSlick Feb 2022 #122
+++. It is all Biden's fault because Russia is threatening to invade Ukraine, and while we are at it JohnSJ Feb 2022 #136
I feel so bad for those people Cha Feb 2022 #139
Gulp ymetca Feb 2022 #129
Thank you so much for saying this Ferrets are Cool Feb 2022 #137
Based on this type of logic the US should not have gotten involved in WW2 JI7 Feb 2022 #156
The logic is that the Cheney-Bush regime Sewa Feb 2022 #187
What War Crimes ? JI7 Feb 2022 #188
This message was self-deleted by its author Sewa Feb 2022 #190
How do you know Cheney-Bush could've been convicted of war crimes? betsuni Feb 2022 #189
What's the genuine security concern for Russia in this ? JI7 Feb 2022 #158
why did you join DU in 2004? looking for like minded folks who detested bush* and the Iraq invasion? Shellback Squid Feb 2022 #159
For that matter, why should we be upset about Putin interfering in our elections? Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #165
Lol..Good point whathehell Feb 2022 #166
President Biden apparently must forever wear the millstone around his neck for the sins of Bush. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #167
Absurd it is.. whathehell Feb 2022 #173
Hey, I'm as self-hating as anyone. Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #171
How nice for you! whathehell Feb 2022 #172
When it comes to matters foreign policy and imperialism malaise Feb 2022 #191
..and when it comes to discerning one from the other, whathehell Feb 2022 #194
lol, this puts this thread in words. America can be imperfect and correct and I don't see that being uponit7771 Feb 2022 #185
Also the fact that most of us can differentiate between Iraq and Ukraine. AngryOldDem Feb 2022 #192
It's not just Europe in peril dwayneb Feb 2022 #235
You mean the way the US does in our hemisphere and across the planet? malaise Feb 2022 #228
My point exactly. Crunchy Frog Feb 2022 #244
DURec leftstreet Feb 2022 #168
malaise, America can be imperfect and correct at the same time. Also, our fucked up can be better uponit7771 Feb 2022 #177
Thank you..That needed to be said. whathehell Feb 2022 #186
What right did England and France have to object to Germany's invasion of Poland? dawg Feb 2022 #195
Nailed it. This is whataboutism taken to pathological levels. Wingus Dingus Feb 2022 #223
I agree with you. David__77 Feb 2022 #197
Thank you! jcmaine72 Feb 2022 #213
kick Celerity Feb 2022 #214
It really bothers me to see stuff like this. Happy Hoosier Feb 2022 #215
Because my TV's been down since ?mid '18 (and I never had Cable)... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #221
A very thoughtful response malaise Feb 2022 #231
That doesn't excuse Russia iemanja Feb 2022 #222
May all be true BUT dwayneb Feb 2022 #226
This reminds me of how I had to continually assure the members of an international online group betsuni Feb 2022 #246
I totally get it.. But .... msfiddlestix Feb 2022 #247
preach it, sister. KG Feb 2022 #248
This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #250
Fallacious argument - comparing Iraq to Ukraine dwayneb Feb 2022 #251
And there are "no there are genuine security issues on both sides." Tommy Carcetti Feb 2022 #252
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2022 #253
Regardless of US hypocrisy, Russia is still threatening to invade Ukraine and they are wrong Sapient Donkey Feb 2022 #255
We invaded on lies and lost moral highground. We let the tyrants of the world know that sky_masterson Feb 2022 #257
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