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PatrickforB

(14,566 posts)
27. This is a really good thoughtful post, and I have something personal to support your point.
Sat Mar 26, 2022, 11:19 AM
Mar 2022

Again, on a strictly personal note, there have been several times in my own life where events have forced me to a realization of how wrong I had been. I have heard this kind of thing be called an 'epiphany,' and so suppose I can call it that since the word is defined as a usually sudden manifestation or perception of the essential nature or meaning of something, or an intuitive grasp of reality, where different pieces of the puzzle fall into place and suddenly you realize the enormity of something.

In the way back when, I was in my twenties during the 1980s, and was a 'Reagan Republican.' I was this because my grandma Max was, and shared screed after screed with me - long tracts in small font designed to gin up fear of the old Soviet Union - the 'commies.' This made me a truly obnoxious college student. I can remember being a horrible thorn in the side of the professor teaching a class called Social Change.

He taught the class from a Marxist perspective, which drove me bananas, and forced me to write my semester paper using a Marxist perspective. Of course, I bent over backwards putting qualifying language in it, because I didn't want anyone to think I was a 'commie' for goodness sake!

When I look back on my behavior in that class, I am truly ashamed because I was an awful bully during class discussions, and it was the very first class this professor had taught, and I drew him into a proverbial pissing contest. Horrible experience, I'm sure, for the rest of the students in the class, and all because of me. I suspect I ruined the class for everyone. Sigh.

Later on, as time passed, I learned things. I was exposed to different ideas by people I respected, and darned if I did not keep remembering things people had said in the class referenced above, things the professor had said, things his guest speakers had said. Since I am a curious individual and a voracious reader, I compiled a list of authors I wanted to read, beginning with the Communist Manifesto. You know, the USSR and Maoist China never reflected what Marx actually said. I ended up doing additional massive research in economics - looking at books on money supply and central banking, and on the doctrine of shareholder primacy - what capitalism really means.

And, of course, Noam Chomsky - I found him difficult reading. I liked Howard Zinn much better, and his book, "A People's History of the United States," literally blew me away. I learned about oligarchs, wedges, manufactured consent, and then read Klein and learned about shock and awe capitalism. We saw that applied here by Brownie in the aftermath of Katrina. The Bushies allowed private sector companies to maximize profits at the expense of the people who had lost everything in the hurricane.

Somewhere along the line I had the epiphany and became the fervent Democrat I am now.

I share this painful memory because I am human. I was wrong, and when I felt the full weight of my former zealotry, I was ashamed. Big time.

For this reason, I cannot support the assertion by many that no Republicans have any sense of shame. All human beings have a sense of shame. Oh, I don't hold out any hope for dirt-bags like Hawley, Cruz, little Marco, Bats**t Boebert, Marjorie 'Traitor' Greene, McCarthy, Cotton, Gohmert and the rest. They are useful idiots that are towing the line for the billionaire parasites, the oligarchs that have so corrupted our Republic.

But - I am an economist, and interact regularly with people in both parties - local elected officials, economic developers, chamber executives, businesspeople, postsecondary educators, and leaders in other community based organizations. Some, I suppose, are sociopaths. In fact a couple of them are, for sure. But not all, by a long shot. Most are basically decent, and DO have a sense of shame.

The problem is they get their 'news' from biased sources such as Fox and talk radio, because Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine way back in 1987, and we have seen the growth of what Rachel Maddow calls the Right Wing Noise Machine. That is truth, and Trumpy took that to a whole new level, and now we have the Kluxers, Nazis, crazy-right Evangelicals and other tin-foil types crawling out from under slimy rocks everywhere.

This is why I harp on forcing changes to corporate charters to get rid of shareholder primacy. On identifying the government's role as providing services where the profit motive is in direct conflict with the interests of the people receiving the service - like healthcare. On why we should consider eliminating the Fed and having the US Government take over central banking. On why we need to beef up voting rights by passing that John Lewis Act. And so on.

Policies affect us, you know. And some of the policies put in place around taxation, courtesy of Reagan and the supply-side people at the Chicago School, have really, really hurt the Republic. They have.

Anyway, I am human. I was wrong. I have a sense of shame. I was ashamed. I changed.

So can nearly every other human being. But it is hard. When you believe something fervently and are confronted with facts to the contrary, it causes massive discomfort.

If we are to save this Republic, we must, it seems, change our minds as a people.

Sorry for the long post. If you have read this far, why, you get a nice gold star!

Most conservatives are not capable of feeling shame LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #1
the OP just pointed to a real life example stopdiggin Mar 2022 #9
in the past the master rationalizer- limbaugh- would always be there on the radio to excuse certainot Mar 2022 #30
Hurray! C Moon Mar 2022 #48
Probably not DENVERPOPS Mar 2022 #67
If the location of the meeting is any indication, soldierant Mar 2022 #60
Republican moral duplicity: barbarous traitors seek shameless clemency bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #71
A Good Point, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2022 #2
I tend to agree, Sir, and unfortunately it means they're likely to keep voting R. yardwork Mar 2022 #38
It's been my experience, that it's impossible to shame or embarrass a republic Meadowoak Mar 2022 #3
You spelled Magat wrong. gab13by13 Mar 2022 #6
Correct spelling stillspkg Mar 2022 #8
I hate autocorrect. Meadowoak Mar 2022 #44
Did you mean autocrat? Tommymac Mar 2022 #53
no Skittles Mar 2022 #58
Soooo Pantagruel Mar 2022 #4
A lot of Republicans True Blue American Mar 2022 #17
How many is "a lot"? nt. Mariana Mar 2022 #74
I would say at least a third. True Blue American Mar 2022 #76
I live among the Magats gab13by13 Mar 2022 #5
Putin is different stopdiggin Mar 2022 #15
It's an ancestral conservative memory, speak easy Mar 2022 #62
It's about loyalty, not truth or shame. sop Mar 2022 #7
Keep up the good fight at the VFW jcgoldie Mar 2022 #10
Agree, yes keep up the fight. sounds like you had just the right tone with them PortTack Mar 2022 #13
Question-- HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #11
it was sarcasm stopdiggin Mar 2022 #18
Thanks. 99% of the time I get sarcasm. This time I missed. HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #19
I understand the Antifa remark leftieNanner Mar 2022 #20
The day I made that remark KS Toronado Mar 2022 #54
Right after Jan 6th KS Toronado Mar 2022 #22
Thanks. I had forgotten about that... HUAJIAO Mar 2022 #26
They will Rebl2 Mar 2022 #12
Exactly! Beat me to it. Golden Raisin Mar 2022 #14
My immediate thought Random Boomer Mar 2022 #21
Exactly efhmc Mar 2022 #28
Well, it takes real strength of character and humility to admit you were wrong. calimary Mar 2022 #51
I haven't noticed any shame among the R's I know. Jetheels Mar 2022 #16
It takes DownriverDem Mar 2022 #29
Maybe they will have a tad less money if the ruble turns to rubble. Jetheels Mar 2022 #46
China will be happy to buy out their contracts, never you worry. quakerboy Mar 2022 #61
No shame by mine Rs. LakeArenal Mar 2022 #23
What will it take DownriverDem Mar 2022 #24
Sadly, they will still vote Republican Azathoth Mar 2022 #25
And losing football teams usually get rid of their worst players. KS Toronado Mar 2022 #31
This is a really good thoughtful post, and I have something personal to support your point. PatrickforB Mar 2022 #27
Thanks for the nice gold star! KS Toronado Mar 2022 #33
Wow! Thanks for sharing your personal journey with us FakeNoose Mar 2022 #37
I agree KS Toronado Mar 2022 #42
I think that many of the ones who might feel shame FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #64
Thanks for YOUR thoughtful post Alice Kramden Mar 2022 #68
Sweet! Being informed is a lot of work. Bigots, racists and the fearful all seem pretty lazy when TeamProg Mar 2022 #32
I love this post. Bringing truth from within the social group, from a good place. Here's 2 you! (Nt) FreepFryer Mar 2022 #34
republican authoritarianism is a symptom of a heritable sensitivity to wrong handed masturbation certainot Mar 2022 #35
I gotta believe that the in-fighting with the Rpubs that will divide the party Cozmo Mar 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #39
That's how truth bombs are done. +1. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #40
What they need to do is vote D so that these aquamarina Mar 2022 #41
They get embarrassed, then they get over it. hay rick Mar 2022 #43
agreed ... transitory krkaufman Mar 2022 #49
if they still cannot accept criticism of Donald Fucking Trump Skittles Mar 2022 #69
"truthful facts" lol. nt orleans Mar 2022 #45
tempting ... Biden extortion krkaufman Mar 2022 #47
LOL, I like how you think! KS Toronado Mar 2022 #52
Unfortunately, I don't think that DeeDeeNY Mar 2022 #50
I believe you're correct KS Toronado Mar 2022 #66
All of which to say they are still watching and imbibing every word quakerboy Mar 2022 #55
Rs have shame? IronLionZion Mar 2022 #56
you can try to shame them, but then they get angry and play the victim. librechik Mar 2022 #57
Thanks! Lessons for us ALL! elleng Mar 2022 #59
I'm in an American Legion post, and I'm sure most of the guys are Republican. 70sEraVet Mar 2022 #63
They are? How long will that last? LiberalFighter Mar 2022 #65
Kansas Tornado Roy Rolling Mar 2022 #70
Thank you for the insightful comment, have to walk a tightrope in a red town. KS Toronado Mar 2022 #72
Stop calling them R's and start calling them fascist. nt Hotler Mar 2022 #73
If they were really ashamed or embarrassed, they would turn that shit off Mariana Mar 2022 #75
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