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xocetaceans

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27. Who cares what this church or any of its officials think or do? This should have exactly zero...
Wed Jun 29, 2022, 02:32 PM
Jun 2022

bearing on anything relating to government in the USA.

Religion and government need to be kept completely separate. It's not a win to need to look to the Pope's actions or whatever occurs in the Vatican for approval or encouragement. That church can do what it likes (within the limits of secular and physical law) - both in Rome and in San Francisco. If the Pope and Cardinals cannot agree on something and want to contest that issue within the Catholic Church, good for them. Again, it has should have exactly no bearing on the US government.

Even though Pelosi is Speaker of the House, the linked story should have no public importance. The Bible says that Christians should not make a public spectacle of their faith. It's between her, her church and her god. (It's not her fault that there are photographers and journalists there unless she planned this as a photo op, though.)


Matthew 6:1-5 (Nestle 1904)

1 Προσέχετε δὲ τὴν δικαιοσύνην ὑμῶν μὴ ποιεῖν ἔμπροσθεν τῶν ἀνθρώπων πρὸς τὸ θεαθῆναι αὐτοῖς· εἰ δὲ μήγε, μισθὸν οὐκ ἔχετε παρὰ τῷ Πατρὶ ὑμῶν τῷ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς. 2 Ὅταν οὖν ποιῇς ἐλεημοσύνην, μὴ σαλπίσῃς ἔμπροσθέν σου, ὥσπερ οἱ ὑποκριταὶ ποιοῦσιν ἐν ταῖς συναγωγαῖς καὶ ἐν ταῖς ῥύμαις, ὅπως δοξασθῶσιν ὑπὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων· ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀπέχουσιν τὸν μισθὸν αὐτῶν. 3 σοῦ δὲ ποιοῦντος ἐλεημοσύνην μὴ γνώτω ἡ ἀριστερά σου τί ποιεῖ ἡ δεξιά σου, 4 ὅπως ᾖ σου ἡ ἐλεημοσύνη ἐν τῷ κρυπτῷ· καὶ ὁ Πατήρ σου ὁ βλέπων ἐν τῷ κρυπτῷ ἀποδώσει σοι. 5 Καὶ ὅταν προσεύχησθε, οὐκ ἔσεσθε ὡς οἱ ὑποκριταί· ὅτι φιλοῦσιν ἐν ταῖς συναγωγαῖς καὶ ἐν ταῖς γωνίαις τῶν πλατειῶν ἑστῶτες προσεύχεσθαι, ὅπως φανῶσιν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις· ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, ἀπέχουσιν τὸν μισθὸν αὐτῶν.



Matthew 6:1-5 (KJV)

6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.


Keep all religion out of government! Religion is fundamentally divisive and needs to be kept a private matter for those who want to believe it.

In summary, "But...look! The Pope approves!" is not useful statement except to elevate religion to a level below which it needs to remain.
But of course! onetexan Jun 2022 #1
Great jalan48 Jun 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #3
Right wing Catholics don't respect the Pope so it won't matter to them mucifer Jun 2022 #4
The pope doesn't respect them either. milestogo Jun 2022 #5
Yes and HE is Pope PatSeg Jun 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #34
Ha, ha, ha!!! PatSeg Jul 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #6
Well stated. Kid Berwyn Jun 2022 #8
I agree. I'm SO sick of hearing about their thoughts and beliefs. liberalla Jun 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2022 #32
Pope Francis and the American Bishops do seem to be at odds, don't they? sop Jun 2022 #7
Yep. That's largely because of the reactionary, regressive bishops... keep_left Jun 2022 #11
It takes time for the pendulum to swing the other direction Brother Buzz Jun 2022 #17
My Ex-Wife Is Catholic, I'm Not... GB_RN Jun 2022 #21
Yes, they are definitely at odds. shrike3 Jun 2022 #25
That's an excellent article. sop Jun 2022 #28
Lol. I'm a current Catholic. shrike3 Jun 2022 #29
The schism in the U.S.A. Catholic Church reflects the political schism in the U.S.A. in general. hunter Jun 2022 #23
But I thought Catholics, especially Bishops, Cardinals etc..., believe the Pope is God's ambassador LiberalLovinLug Jun 2022 #24
That should put any dispute to rest sarisataka Jun 2022 #10
She did not receive communion from the pope. She received it from a priest at a mass said by the WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #12
Thanks for clarifying. Any idea where this mass was held? TheRickles Jun 2022 #14
The headline in the OP says the Vatican. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2022 #15
Right you are. Thanks. TheRickles Jun 2022 #19
Thank you, Pope Francis. Totally Tunsie Jun 2022 #13
That idiot cardinal in SF was told to shut up by the Pope LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2022 #18
I think the cardinal's hat went to someone in SoCal, & Cordileone was passed over bigly Hekate Jun 2022 #35
Uhh...so this is a good thing? progressoid Jun 2022 #20
Compare these Catholic (Biden and Pelosi) to the Six who think that they run the country. question everything Jun 2022 #22
Pope said mass. Did not distribute communion. Pope does not distribute communion at such masses. shrike3 Jun 2022 #26
Who cares what this church or any of its officials think or do? This should have exactly zero... xocetaceans Jun 2022 #27
Love it jonstl08 Jun 2022 #30
NEXT: Pope Francis Is Declared Heretic By U.S. Catholic Bishops dalton99a Jun 2022 #31
Very high on my list of things I couldn't care less about. Voltaire2 Jun 2022 #33
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