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meadowlander

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8. Overpopulation is the tinder. Capitalism is the match.
Wed Sep 28, 2022, 06:55 PM
Sep 2022

If we had a rational global economic and political system we would be able to feed, clothe and house 8 billion people without triggering catastrophic climate change.

The problem is overpopulation plus:
1. a mindset of unlimited capacity of the economy to grow to accommodate human wants rather than human needs
2. irrational division of political power into nation states only looking after their own interests instead of cooperating
3. legacy inequalities from colonialism and racism
4. religion encouraging people to breed like bunnies to increase their power base and don't mind the unlimited consumption because God will sort out the consequences

This isn't a problem caused by too many Chinese and Indian people wanting what Westerners have.

It's a problem caused by Western capitalist and theocratic ideologies spreading around the globe. And the solution is to challenge that ideology and those assumptions, to work together, and to do our individual part to decrease our emissions. If those 8 billion people didn't buy shit they didn't need and went out of their way to make low emissions choices for the things they do need we'd be looking at a very different future scenario.

It's all good, the coming nuclear war will take care of it Calculating Sep 2022 #1
My God... 4 BILLION new people in less than a half century WarGamer Sep 2022 #3
K&R UTUSN Sep 2022 #2
Sure they do. Leading from far behind, but better than nothing. Hortensis Sep 2022 #4
Hmmmm WarGamer Sep 2022 #6
:) Mistaken premise, surely? The earth isn't sinking to its death. Hortensis Sep 2022 #26
yeah... the "haves" will be tremendously advantaged in the future climate situation. WarGamer Sep 2022 #27
Of course, advantaged as we in N. America all are, some will be carried Hortensis Sep 2022 #30
and this WarGamer Sep 2022 #5
Malthus Zeitghost Sep 2022 #7
He may end up being essentially right? WarGamer Sep 2022 #9
40% of the food that is currently produced is wasted. meadowlander Sep 2022 #12
Yup. A HERETIC I AM Sep 2022 #23
"Stand on Zanzibar" Liberal In Texas Sep 2022 #34
+1 leftstreet Sep 2022 #33
Maybe Zeitghost Sep 2022 #14
Overpopulation is the tinder. Capitalism is the match. meadowlander Sep 2022 #8
actually it IS 3 billion people in China, India, Pakistan and Africa WarGamer Sep 2022 #10
The alternative Zeitghost Sep 2022 #16
There are biophysical limits that the economy exists within. meadowlander Sep 2022 #19
So your answer Zeitghost Sep 2022 #28
No, my answer is to educate people to act ethically and make it easy for them to do so. meadowlander Sep 2022 #32
People will not voluntarily Zeitghost Sep 2022 #35
Tens of millions of people are already doing this but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. meadowlander Sep 2022 #36
You may be confusing capitalism with democracy. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #21
Infinite growth on a planet of finite resources NickB79 Sep 2022 #31
But, but we all got shiny new toys to brag about and.... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2022 #11
there will be no clean secluded communities left... WarGamer Sep 2022 #13
OMG, the closing bell statement made me LOL. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2022 #17
This is literally the justification that Samuel L. Jackson's character used in Kingsman. Initech Sep 2022 #15
lol at Carlin... I'd almost forgotten how funny he was. WarGamer Sep 2022 #18
Overpopulation does not excuse our excess ThoughtCriminal Sep 2022 #20
Yes, but put this in perspective Metaphorical Sep 2022 #22
The average Indian or Pakistani individual has about 1/10th the footprint of an American muriel_volestrangler Sep 2022 #25
What's worrying is the rate of increase... WarGamer Sep 2022 #29
I think in the end it will come down to one issue DFW Sep 2022 #24
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