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CaptainTruth

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15. True. First you legally establish that...

Reply to fightforfreedom (Original post)

Mon Oct 3, 2022, 08:47 AM

Oct 2022

...1) sedition took place (ie what happened meets the legal definition of sedition), & 2) it was a conspiracy (multiple people were involved). Those facts are established in courtrooms, not by TV pundits or folks on social media who "say so" because they "know."

A good prosecutor knows you build a case from the ground up, especially in conspiracy cases where the success of future indictments depends on a solid foundation of established facts (which means successful prosecutions of others involved).

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Today is a big day in Garlands J6 investigation. [View all] fightforfreedom Oct 2022 OP

I hope to all Heaven that you're right. calimary Oct 2022 #1

I hope this gets them (oath keepers) to roll on this pompous asshole too. Botany Oct 2022 #2

I hope they nail Stone too, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #4

There are some oath keepers who will testify as part of their plea deals. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #6

You spelled "Oaf" wrong in Oaf Keeper. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #18

:). yikes who gets named Elmer anymore? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #21

hahaha mountain grammy Oct 2022 #26

When I lived in Birmingham I made the mistake of laughing at a name Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #46

haha again.. mountain grammy Oct 2022 #73

Does anyone sniff glue anymore? Remember as a kid Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #81

Kind of explains everything about him, doesn't it? ChazInAz Oct 2022 #27

Yes :). Actually my first thought was glue sniffer Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #47

Be vewey quiet! rambler_american Oct 2022 #82

Somehow it seems ol' Rog has been rolled on already... rubbersole Oct 2022 #8

Kick for all to see...no text Stuart G Oct 2022 #71

The pyramid strategy has been a failure. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Oct 2022 #10

No, it has not been a failure. That's how criminal investigations are done, from the bottom up. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #12

+1 ancianita Oct 2022 #19

You and OP have really made me think! The whole subject of top down versus bottom up Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #20

J6 committee faces MUCH LOWER standard. Doesn't have to try cases in front of judge and jury. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #54

Yup. How does that tie in? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #60

The bar is much higher for the DoJ. Heard of "beyond a reasonable doubt"? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #68

Yes understood. My point was only about scope and mission Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #69

Mr Meadows on the stand, actually answering questions..... jaxexpat Oct 2022 #33

It has been a wild success. Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #41

You made some good points except I hate that expression Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #48

We are probably talking about different outrage. Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #50

Think we've been disappointed over and over again Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #63

+1! ShazzieB Oct 2022 #76

Just give it up. The J6 committee can do that because they can't indict and don't indict Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #53

If they can get a conviction on seditious conspiracy... kentuck Oct 2022 #5

Exactly. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #13

No Effete Snob Oct 2022 #36

How do you know that? kentuck Oct 2022 #40

Because I read the indictment Effete Snob Oct 2022 #42

Trump may be implicated. triron Oct 2022 #51

Well, then you go argue with the DoJ Effete Snob Oct 2022 #52

That doesn't exclude the defense from using that argument. triron Oct 2022 #56

That quote by Rhodes does sound rather incriminating... kentuck Oct 2022 #59

The DoJ is not aiming to make themselves look stupid Effete Snob Oct 2022 #61

Of course, they would not try to go after Donald Trump in this case. kentuck Oct 2022 #74

Yes, sure Effete Snob Oct 2022 #78

It makes sense... kentuck Oct 2022 #83

And... Effete Snob Oct 2022 #44

A witness could say something that is new evidence, you never know. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #45

Perry Mason moments throw a monkey wrench into the proceedings. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #64

I thought you were going to say Garland will arrest Trump. Emile Oct 2022 #7

Roger Stone was the master mind of the J-6 US Capitol riots,... magicarpet Oct 2022 #9

And Rudy Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #22

Roger Stone was the master mind of the J-6 US Capitol riots,... magicarpet Oct 2022 #11

Well that's not what the DoJ is arguing today Effete Snob Oct 2022 #62

IMO Donald Trump will not be arrested for seditious conspiracy, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #14

There are other types of conspiracies Trump can be charged with, it doesn't have to be for sedition. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #17

Like what? Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #23

Conspiracy to defraud the government. Conspiracy to commit election fraud. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #25

#2 and #3 !! Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #70

True. First you legally establish that... CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #15

You get it, this trial is a really big deal. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #16

If so, that's a problem. Because the DOJ is explicitly and specifically keeping tfg out of it. Scrivener7 Oct 2022 #72

Fingers crossed... karin_sj Oct 2022 #24

K&R. William769 Oct 2022 #28

I know this is true when it comes to this trial. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #29

Is this trial gong to be televised? secondwind Oct 2022 #30

Kelly Meggs requested a bench trial at the last minute. DENIED blogslug Oct 2022 #31

The pressure must be a getting intense for the oath keepers. It's game time. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #32

Mark Meadows is the buffer gab13by13 Oct 2022 #34

Meadows may have already appeared before a grand jury. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #35

And then again, he may not have. Scrivener7 Oct 2022 #75

More tweets from Scott MacFarlane blogslug Oct 2022 #37

It's long past time to put this treasonous slob behind bars. lees1975 Oct 2022 #38

You're right but we have a weak DOJ. triron Oct 2022 #55

If we had a truly "just" justice system, Trump would be in jail for secret documents possession... Silent3 Oct 2022 #39

I fear you are correct. triron Oct 2022 #49

No. Not holding my breath for "Trump and his merry band of traitors will be in deep shit." progressoid Oct 2022 #43

... Lucinda Oct 2022 #57

Live Blog malaise Oct 2022 #58

Thanks! Found threadreaderapp link there, too. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #65

Cool malaise Oct 2022 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Oct 2022 #67

lolz 867-5309. Oct 2022 #77

Same. nt BlackSkimmer Oct 2022 #79

Sounds serious. Torchlight Oct 2022 #80