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bonniebgood

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46. The Dems are ineffective in messaging because they won't

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:05 AM

Nov 2012

tell the truth. what's so difficult about saying what actually caused the debt and deficit?
Bush two tax cuts for the rich and bush two wars? Not SS and Medicaid.

We could start by finding that 2-3 Trillion ( Darral Issa and John Mccain) that donald Rumsfeld said was UN-accounted for by the pentagon 9/10/01. The UN-accounted for pallets of cash that was dumped in Iraq.

I guest the Dems didn't get the message that money don't buy elections, money just FUNDS ELECTIONS 11/06/2012

IF THEY DO I WILL VOTE FOR ROSANNE BARR FOR PRESIDENT

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If the Democratic Party allows Medicare or Social Security to be cut, [View all] Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 OP

Then a third party will show up more newfie11 Nov 2012 #1

The 3rd party just needs to call itself the Democrat Party (as opposed to Democratic Party). valerief Nov 2012 #27

If there is a Grand Bargain, both the Dems and GOP may go the way of the Whigs. leveymg Nov 2012 #32

+1 HiPointDem Nov 2012 #74

Well said! CrispyQ Nov 2012 #82

If I hear them called "Entitlements" Blue Gardener Nov 2012 #2

That's because they are. It's decades of conservative propaganda that has made the word... JHB Nov 2012 #3

You're entitled to collect what you've paid into. Doesn't matter that the repukes have sullied the SammyWinstonJack Nov 2012 #15

If you've been paying in for 39 years tularetom Nov 2012 #20

To me social security is an annuity not an entitlement and that is what we should call it. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #33

And we STILL pay into Medicare when we are on it! CTyankee Nov 2012 #41

Enough with the if posts loyalkydem Nov 2012 #4

They won't care; they will just go back home and count their bribes. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #6

I don't believe a word I hear from any of them! Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #9

some big-name dems are talking cutting Medicare Enrique Nov 2012 #11

yes. as long as a D does it, it's the best thing since sliced bread by some. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #77

Unfortunately many Democrats, starting with our President, are OK with cuts... or are even MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #13

There are very few Blue Dogs left. A lot of them lost in 2010 sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #35

Off the Table...... until the Marketing Department manufactures another fake "Hostage Crisis"... bvar22 Nov 2012 #64

"Stop whining because you didn't get your pony!" djean111 Nov 2012 #80

People laughed at Gore's "Lock-Box"..... WinkyDink Nov 2012 #5

I'm with you ReRe Nov 2012 #7

Medicare needs to be reformed around patient wellness banned from Kos Nov 2012 #8

That is reform that I can live with. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #10

There are many ways to cut Medicare costs and sustain the level of benefits. Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #12

There may be. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #14

Which is why negotiating with them is an abandonment of the people Doctor_J Nov 2012 #19

Because "Bipartisanship, YAY!!!!" vi5 Nov 2012 #29

Social policy in its many manifestations is the linchpin of the democratic platform. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #16

We already have instability Doctor_J Nov 2012 #21

Yeah well, I guess it's a matter of degeree. Tremor or all engulfing chasm causing quake. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #52

It won't matter then. bvar22 Nov 2012 #76

I'm with you on that. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #17

My experience has been that Washington Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #18

We're going to have to give on something union_maid Nov 2012 #22

No! Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #26

Not really, they can't pass a single cut without us TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #28

no & No & NO - we've ALREADY "given" damn near everything bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #36

Hogwash. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #45

Removal of the Cap would be the best option. Allowing people to voluntarily give bluestate10 Nov 2012 #81

If the Democratic Party starts cooking kittens in the street... SidDithers Nov 2012 #23

That might finally do the trick. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #25

22%, right Manny?... SidDithers Nov 2012 #31

Was I wrong about something? Please provide my actual quote MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #34

You've been ringing the alarm bells about a 22% cut to SS for 2 years Manny... SidDithers Nov 2012 #42

And that bell is still out there. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #44

One quote. Let's see what you're disagreeing with here. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #50

Here's you putting words into Obama's mouth, it's obviously what you believe he wants... SidDithers Nov 2012 #54

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Is anything in the following part of that quote incorrect? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #58

Has SS been cut by 22%, Manny?...nt SidDithers Nov 2012 #59

I see. You don't want to answer my simple question. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #69

I have no interest in a conversation with you, Manny... SidDithers Nov 2012 #71

So the President's commission did *not* vote to recommend a 22% cut MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #73

The commission did issue a final report that included a 22% recommendation?... SidDithers Nov 2012 #75

Yes. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #85

That was approved by 14 of the 18 members of the commission?... SidDithers Nov 2012 #86

Yes. MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #89

Without 14 votes, it was just noise... SidDithers Nov 2012 #90

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My post perfectly predicted what Obama agreed to do just one month later MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #70

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lol! JoePhilly Nov 2012 #30

That would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory CanonRay Nov 2012 #24

This is my line of thinking also, Cannon Ray. If they touch SS benefits, plethoro Nov 2012 #39

We are on the same page plethoro CanonRay Nov 2012 #72

They need to strengthen them not cut them SHRED Nov 2012 #37

Congress shall extend Medicare to all Americans. MrYikes Nov 2012 #38

My school used to teach anyone who depended on Social Security alone was a fool NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #40

Well, in the financial mishegas Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #43

That school wouldn't be Liberty University by any chance, would it? Zorra Nov 2012 #47

What "school" would that be? Who are "they"? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #48

Well, lets see. Who would be teaching at a school? NNN0LHI Nov 2012 #51

I learned that too, but clearly old school needs revising! CrispyQ Nov 2012 #83

They didn't. What they did was stop paying us enough to have a pension SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #87

The Dems are ineffective in messaging because they won't bonniebgood Nov 2012 #46

9/10/01. All records in the WTC. And yet some people still throw around the term "tin-foil". WinkyDink Nov 2012 #49

We need a Feet to fire Grover Norquist like pledge Generic Other Nov 2012 #53

"If the Democratic Party pushes for NAFTA (or in 2012 TPP!), they will reap the whirlwind..." Romulox Nov 2012 #55

Sadly, you're probably right Doctor_J Nov 2012 #68

K&R forestpath Nov 2012 #57

The People will react with a powerful anger as if their lives depend on it, which they do. RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #61

I'd like to think so but I don't believe it's true hughee99 Nov 2012 #65

Is that "if" or "when"? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2012 #78

I hope it's an 'if', Are_grits_groceries Nov 2012 #84

I agree. We fought hard during the past election to get into this position. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #79

Why don`t they cut foreign aid some? Sadiedog Nov 2012 #88