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handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. hmmm
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:17 PM
Dec 2012

one version to think about... (must often consider the source)

"How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?"

"...Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

...In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians....

....Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.......
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christmas_TheRealStory.htm

War on Christmas (cartoon) [View all] marmar Dec 2012 OP
I like it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1
nadin, please tell Mika, I only watch "Morning Joe" for entertainment. saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #8
She's no family nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #10
sorry nadin, should have known better, I'm the brock of a world wide family. saidsimplesimon Dec 2012 #12
No problem nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #13
K&R MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #2
I don't see any cartoon and it's finished loading? xtraxritical Dec 2012 #3
I see no cartoon either - could someone please provide a link? We People Dec 2012 #22
What is the name of your Federal Holiday December 25th. dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #4
Saturnalia. TahitiNut Dec 2012 #7
As you well know dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #9
Io Saturnalia! deutsey Dec 2012 #28
More accurate that "Saturnalia" would be "Dies Natalis of Sol Invictus." Towlie Dec 2012 #36
So December is ALL about Christmas? MessiahRp Dec 2012 #29
Exactly. For 30 years our family has celebrated the Solstice, which is generally on Dec. 22. When Nay Dec 2012 #32
"Pagans WHO had their holiday stolen. . ." y'mean RVN VET Dec 2012 #34
hmmm handmade34 Dec 2012 #5
Popular idea, but probably not true D Gary Grady Dec 2012 #14
Compromise for conversion xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #15
Yeah, in fact, I'd say "definitely false". AverageJoe90 Dec 2012 #20
Read the post above yours MessiahRp Dec 2012 #30
The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors, by Kersey Graves, [1875], at sacred-texts.com Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #23
There's also Mithras. jamtoday Dec 2012 #25
"We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas! We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas! We wish you a Merry Mithrasmas!..." baldguy Dec 2012 #27
I know I'm ready to wage war on Christmas! Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #6
I don't think I see the problem. Flatpicker Dec 2012 #11
+10 (NT) reACTIONary Dec 2012 #16
the problem handmade34 Dec 2012 #17
Sure but Flatpicker Dec 2012 #18
The problem is Chico Man Dec 2012 #33
Completely agree with you. Flatpicker Dec 2012 #38
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2012 #19
Addicts. Early on. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #21
Another good War on Xmas cartoon: Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #24
The War on Chanukah .... Mustellus Dec 2012 #26
What about the War on Festivus for the rest of us. Historic NY Dec 2012 #31
Hogfather PatrynXX Dec 2012 #35
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #37
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