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X_Digger

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37. It's not as simple as rolling back the second amendment.

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:24 PM

Dec 2012

I've seen a lot of folks propose that, as if that would make the right go away. It's a bit naive, to be honest.

I'm saying it's a lot harder than you seem to think it is, for various reasons. And if you spend all your effort on repealing the second amendment, burning bridges and blowing political capital, it would be a hell of a slap in the face when it doesn't result in what you think it would.

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The 2nd Amendment is an anachronism. [View all] Odin2005 Dec 2012 OP

That may be Turbineguy Dec 2012 #1

How the NRA rewrote the Consitution aristocles Dec 2012 #2

Perhaps so and maybe it should be repealed, although the SC disagrees with your overall kelly1mm Dec 2012 #3

Throwing the net of the SC doesn't answer anything xchrom Dec 2012 #5

Sure it can be revisited. Usually it takes a generation or two to overcome the power of precident kelly1mm Dec 2012 #7

I think there are lots of things that can and should've xchrom Dec 2012 #9

On that we may agree! However, the OP was about how the 2nd amendment was an anachronism kelly1mm Dec 2012 #14

I strongly believe it is antique. xchrom Dec 2012 #27

So is it safe to assume you support repeal? If so, do you believe we have enough members of kelly1mm Dec 2012 #29

Not yet. But framing is everything. xchrom Dec 2012 #32

I agree. It will be A SHIT LOAD of work to get society to a place where the congrees would repeal kelly1mm Dec 2012 #36

As do linguists. But an amendment repealing it could render that moot. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #11

So garner enough public support to amend or repeal it. hack89 Dec 2012 #4

repeal it backwoodsbob Dec 2012 #6

It's time to REPEAL the second amendment. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #8

Seious question for you: X_Digger Dec 2012 #10

Yes. n/t aristocles Dec 2012 #13

No, it would go from being an enumerated right, to an unenumerated right protected by the ninth. X_Digger Dec 2012 #23

What do you mean? Dems to Win Dec 2012 #15

No exceptions? You've just removed the military and police.. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #25

I don't have a 'right' to own a car, yet I own one. End the special privileges for guns. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #26

See post #23. Not as easy as you imagine. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #28

See post #2. n/t aristocles Dec 2012 #30

This is constitutional law, nothing to do with the NRA. X_Digger Dec 2012 #31

And I suppose our rights come from God? n/t aristocles Dec 2012 #33

They do pre-date the constitution. X_Digger Dec 2012 #35

I didn't say it would be easy, I said we CAN do it. And we CAN, if only we have the will. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #34

It's not as simple as rolling back the second amendment. X_Digger Dec 2012 #37

It is the NECESSARY FIRST STEP in achieving responsible gun laws. Period. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #38

We can set rules of ownership NOW, WITH the 2d amendment. elleng Dec 2012 #51

Soldiers and police don't buy their guns. jeff47 Dec 2012 #39

Soldiers? No. But quite a few police do. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #42

Quite a few buy additional guns jeff47 Dec 2012 #43

"Department issue" doesn't exist in every department. X_Digger Dec 2012 #44

Is your argument that this is an un-fixable problem? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2012 #46

No, that repealing the second amendment wouldn't accomplish what the naive think it would. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #47

.....because the police department would have to buy guns. jeff47 Dec 2012 #48

No, because the right would then be an unenumerated right protected by the 9th. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #49

Which isn't what we're talking about in this sub-thread jeff47 Dec 2012 #50

That depends on the wording of the amendment that repeals it JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #16

Lol, I see what you did there.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #24

I agree absolutely Poiuyt Dec 2012 #12

A questio for those of you that aardvark401 Dec 2012 #17

A question for you jeff47 Dec 2012 #40

NRA logo ... napkinz Dec 2012 #18

First Amendment: "Can't Yell Fire" ... Second Amendment: "Can't Open Fire" napkinz Dec 2012 #19

The founders wanted the people to have teeth davidn3600 Dec 2012 #20

That is no longer possible. jeff47 Dec 2012 #41

So, if "it has nothing to do with an absolute right to own guns" then how humblebum Dec 2012 #21

well said fordgmman1966sel Dec 2012 #22

Repeal it then Riftaxe Dec 2012 #45

I agree jberryhill Dec 2012 #52