If i am a teacher with a CCW and "a good guy with a gun" small enough to conceal

[Flatulo]

39. Thanks for sharing those stories. You certainly have had enough bad experiences with guns

for one lifetime.

I have to wonder though - when one is faced with certain death at the hands of a possibly suicidal gunman such as Adam Lanza, how could resistance with a gun have possibly had a worse outcome than what actually happened? I mean, it was an absolutely fucking unmitigated disaster, right? Every single solitary person who tried to stop him without deadly force ended up dead, except the cops (who had guns). If even one person had been able to resist with a gun, there is a possibility, your experiences notwithstanding, that they might have been able to slow him down, pin him down, or outright kill him. We'll never know. However, I daresay that your personals experiences, in which you are 100% certain that you would have ended up dead if you'd had a gun (and I wonder how you can know this, since you didn't have a gun to test the hypothesis), surely do not cover the entire universe of possible outcomes of resistance of force with force.

I'm not suggesting that teachers carry guns in school. They're not trained for it, and I agree that there is too great a possibility that a disturbed or enraged student could get control of it. The absolute last thing we want to do is force anyone who has an intrinsic fear or hatred of guns to touch one. It's not only cruel, it's quite likely illegal as well.

But we have to be realistic. There are 300 million guns in America. It's one thing to shriek "We have to get rid of these guns!" and quite another to actually do it. The gun ban that the congress and the president are now considering would grandfather existing high capacity firearms and magazines, leaving 30 million or so in the hands of civilians. The legislation that is being discussed would not have stopped an Adam Lanza. And for my money, anything that doesn't meet that criterion will be a failure. We'll know this right after the next massacre (heaven forbid, but it will happen again).

I have proposed, and I still stand by it, that we ban the possession of AR and AK type rifles, as well as high-capacity ammunition magazines, capping clip capacity at, say, 7 rounds for all remaining rifles and handguns. I think the AR and AK type rifles are the weapon of choice of these loonies because they've been romanticized in the popular media as being especially cool at killing.

Our very first priority should be to keep our children safe, and to that end I would be comfortable with letting states or cities/towns decide for themselves whether or not to place armed, trained officers in schools. I don't reflexively believe that being in the same building as an armed officer will traumatize our kids, because they see armed people all the time - cops. We teach them that cops are the good guys. If anything, it should reassure them that we're doing everything we can to ensure their safety.

We put cops in banks, airports, stadiums, malls etc because their presence act as a deterrent. No deterrent is 100% effective because the world is an imperfect place. But if a madman were roaming the halls of my kids school gunning down every living thing, I'd sure as hell want an armed and trained cop nearby rather than heroic but doomed teachers trying to stop bullets with their bodies. We know how well that worked.

The indisputable fact is that Lanza was able to keep shooting until the cops arrived because there was absolutely ZERO chance of stopping him. If a cop can improve those odds to anything larger than zero, I'll take those odds.