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In reply to the discussion: Drones: Do I have a line in the sand? [View all]Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)59. Thanks for your response
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I'd like to know how the people who have condemned drone attacks with such black and white vitriol over the past few days are any different than the rightwingnuts they've been critical of in the past over the abortion issue... So now 'it's own turn' to be engaging in the same hyperbole as if everything is your 'black and white'. That type of simplistic reasoning worked when I was a child.
Some things really are black and white. You either believe that government officials and elected representatives are bound by the rule of law or you do not. You, apparently, fall into the later category. You seem to be arguing that elected officials can ignore the law whenever they feel it is useful to do so, and more, that such exceptions should properly be kept secret from the public.
In this case, we are talking about the government declairing that they have the 'legal' right to kill any Americans they like, without a trial or judicial process, no review, no appeal, and in secret. Killing people is as serious as anything ever gets, and I believe everyone should be concerned.
I've had some pretty bad things said about me in the past couple of days by people who don't know me...
If anyone has personally attacked you on these forums report the post. I think there's a button somewhere to do that (never looked).
Beyond this, a difference of opinion is not an attack on you personally, nor should you take is as such. I LOVE when people disagree with me, and I love it still more when they take the time to tell me why (as you just did). If I wanted an echo chamber I'd rant to myself in my bathroom.
Your line in the sand may not be my line in the sand. So if it's not what happens next? Are we going to start advocating blowing up stuff like the rightwingnuts who blow up women's health care clinics.
What happens next? Nothing. As I said in my OP, by the end of the week at least half the people posting here will have decided that they are totally fine with this. Within a month they will be proudly proclaiming that all good Democrats and true liberals support the extra-judicial killing of Americans.
But my opinion will not change on this one. It's a terrifying step, and we are not done marching down that road.
Also no one of any courage is going to be bullied into submission because you scream loud and insult people. Every issue is not black and white now matter how loud one says it is. Everyone is a product of their experiences which encompasses a lot of things. That the beauty of a free nation. Your right to your opinion should not infringe on my right to have mine.
Respectfully, it is ALWAYS a bad idea to take a post or thread personally. No one in this thread is picking on you, no one is bullying you, and as far as I am concerned you are free to say and believe anything you like.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read and respond.
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I agree. They totally lose their Constitutional rights. Remember that if you travel abroad.
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#7
Life is so much easier once you learn that we are the good and we can kill the bad.
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#46
It is true technically speaking you are under the jurisdiction of the laws of the country you are in
davidpdx
Feb 2013
#82
I understand what you are saying. But I dont believe US citizens lose their Constitutional
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#84
+1. This will end with enemies of a President being rounded up and summarily executed.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2013
#14
Yes. The rationalizations of the neo-hawks because it's "our guy" are overflowing.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2013
#6
We must keep struggling against the encroaching tyranny. But how far we are willing to go
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#31
Two comments. I agree that things will have to get a lot worse before people start to
rhett o rick
Feb 2013
#35
YAY! Welcome to the side of goodness and light. Let others dwell on the dark side.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2013
#13
Not to defend this policy, but the police kill people every day w/o charges or judicial review.
Flatulo
Feb 2013
#15
I agree wholeheartedly and can see this getting worse and escalating out of control!
DearHeart
Feb 2013
#27
Before 1965, U.S. government officials routinely referred to members of the
coalition_unwilling
Feb 2013
#43
In my opinion, the definition of a terrorist in The Patriot Act is vague and overly broad.
JDPriestly
Feb 2013
#66
The word 'terrorist' has become so debased through over use and abuse that it is
coalition_unwilling
Feb 2013
#73
Thank you. At this point, the Establishment Democrats have lost their moral compass
Lydia Leftcoast
Feb 2013
#42
I'd like to know how the people who have condemned drone attacks with such black and white
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2013
#58
Thanks for responding to my ranting in such a rational manner. I applaud you for that.
politicaljunkie41910
Feb 2013
#60
The good news is that more people on here seem to agree with you than not.
Efilroft Sul
Feb 2013
#61
Great summary of the problem, now, what are you and I going to do about it?
sinkingfeeling
Feb 2013
#90
If you reread your OP and some of the responses, you will see why your position gains no traction
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#92
You clearly do not understand the points of those who disagree. More than that...
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#97
You are missing MY point. I already understand your position. You are not listening to mine
stevenleser
Feb 2013
#99
Thanks! I am gonna let you have the final word. Just letting you know I read it. n/t
Demo_Chris
Feb 2013
#100