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BlueStreak

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9. Exactly. It is abundantly clear that everybody has a right to counsel.
Tue Apr 23, 2013, 01:17 AM
Apr 2013

The SCOTUS has been asked to clarify a whole bunch of boundary conditions, and what it comes down to is that poverty is not an acceptable reason to deny counsel, so the people have to pay for competent counsel if the accused cannot afford that. And as far as "reading the rights", that simply follows from the right itself. It was an issue because cops would try everything to NOT give their prisoners the right of counsel, so the SCOTUS wisely said, "It is a fundamental right, and you have to tell them it is their right before you interrogate them."

And then somebody brought up the exception to the rule, which is basically, "if you know the suspect has put snakes on a plane, venomous snakes that will kill people on that plane, can you do an immediate interrogation to find out WHICH plane." And the SCOTUS wisely said that was a reasonable exception -- in the case of IMMINENT danger to the public or police officers. But that's it. There aren't any other exceptions.

Miranda vs. AZ pipoman Apr 2013 #1
The name, I need to steal it for fiction nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #2
If you look it up, you'll find he's not the first one... Nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #3
Kermit Roosevelt III is the great-great-grandson of Theodore Roosevelt Brother Buzz Apr 2013 #5
Not well received among Iranians, either. sofa king Apr 2013 #12
That Kermit must be the one that triggered my memory Brother Buzz Apr 2013 #14
Yep, the original Stormin' Norman. sofa king Apr 2013 #20
Okay, but the argument is now moot. longship Apr 2013 #4
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #8
He is guilty. I am Juror #8. Sentence To the Max.No hateperp can tear down Fenway's wall. graham4anything Apr 2013 #6
Technically, not true Gman Apr 2013 #7
Exactly. It is abundantly clear that everybody has a right to counsel. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #9
If the truth be known, Ernesto Miranda was a scumbag Gman Apr 2013 #11
whether he was or not, so what? HiPointDem Apr 2013 #16
For better or worse Gman Apr 2013 #19
Kermit Roosevelt? Deep13 Apr 2013 #10
he's a grandson of the operation ajax guy, who was the grandson of TR. Whose family's HiPointDem Apr 2013 #15
it's a constitutional right, and the constitution and SC interpretations of it are part of the law. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #17
Freedom from self-incrimination is a Constitutional right. Deep13 Apr 2013 #18
a law professor named kermit roosevelt? descendant of teddy. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #13
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