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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
66. Thank you, Laelth!
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jun 2013
James Bamford, from Reddit AMA:

I think it's mysterious, this cooperation between the NSA and ISPs, and the only thing I can compare it to is the deal with AT&T - where all data flows into their computers filled with software that does deep-pocket inspection, looking for target information and target names and so forth. Whether the NSA created some sort of lock box or portal in cyber space where they can do this, I don't know. But what you have is the NSA saying they have direct access to their servers. And what the tech giants are saying is that they don't give them direct access to their services. What we have then is something in between - is it semantics or truth or both? But eventually it will come out through investigative reporting or congressional hearings or something. I think Snowden is very courageous. He's doing something other people wouldn't do. He's not making any money on it, and he's facing serious repercussions. Last year, in my WIRED cover story on the NSA data-center in Utah, I interviewed a number of former senior officials, including Bill Binney, and they told me very similar things about getting data records from everyone at Verizon and so forth. But the NSA was able to largely brush off those accusations, and the mainstream media just believed them because General Alexander said it. This might have been one of the reasons why Snowden felt this information could only be taken seriously if the public actually got to see the documents. This way, there is no way to brush it under the rug, say these people are lying or exaggerating. A number of whistleblowers have said very similar things. The media and the public only believe it's real, despite the denials, when confronted with actual documents.
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #1
Thanks. I think this needs more attention. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #6
i'm with you. xchrom Jun 2013 #9
And I am glad you are. Laelth Jun 2013 #12
that is a very good article. thanks for posting the link cali Jun 2013 #2
Yep. Laelth Jun 2013 #19
This isn't about terrorism any more. It's about cyber-warfare. Laelth Jun 2013 #3
Also worth considering. Laelth Jun 2013 #4
K&R octoberlib Jun 2013 #5
Thanks for the k&r. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #28
This is absolutely, without a doubt, Orwellian, Outrageous, and Alarming! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #7
Definitely worth considering very carefully. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #32
Oh, and forgot to thank you for posting. K&R! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #8
You are quite welcome. Laelth Jun 2013 #10
Absolutely agreed. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #15
I haven't had enough time to think about this in great detail. Laelth Jun 2013 #18
Let me add that I now understand the source of our sabre-rattling toward Iran. Laelth Jun 2013 #20
Excellent point. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #30
Syria is Iran's proxy. Laelth Jun 2013 #31
Ginnin' us up for yet another one, eh? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #35
There's a lot of money to be made. Laelth Jun 2013 #36
What threat, what proof, and what allies? leveymg Jun 2013 #41
Um, this essay. Laelth Jun 2013 #42
I would classify them as responding in kind. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #43
I agree. Laelth Jun 2013 #44
Yes, and very unpredictable times, as well. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #46
An Interesting Excerpt: Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #49
Update. Laelth Jun 2013 #53
Just got home and watched the report on MSNBC. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #56
I haven't been able to think about anything else all day. Laelth Jun 2013 #57
Want to help me write a script? Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #62
Kick! octoberlib Jun 2013 #11
Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #55
I'm continuing to read. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #13
I suspect the real danger is this. Laelth Jun 2013 #16
That's exactly what I meant. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #17
Thanks for posting this and the link to unhappycampers OP Autumn Jun 2013 #14
My pleasure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #58
Wow, that is some scary shit! MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #21
I doubt that it can be curtailed at this point. Laelth Jun 2013 #22
There HAS to be a way... MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #23
Yesterday, I would have agreed with you. Laelth Jun 2013 #27
I guess I'm being overly optimistic about my fellow citizens MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #29
I certainly hope you are right. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #61
Me too. MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #70
Also... MynameisBlarney Jun 2013 #24
That's funny. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #25
The NSA does have its uses! Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #33
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #26
Thanks. I think this needs more attention. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #64
spooky. kick. Sheri Jun 2013 #34
Nice pun. ;) Laelth Jun 2013 #37
This was worth $80 billion? leveymg Jun 2013 #38
Well, we've been hacking Chinese state secrets for years. Laelth Jun 2013 #39
Why do I get the feeling they have a more cost-effective program? leveymg Jun 2013 #40
Kind of like Operation PaperClip Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #45
That's what I am thinking. Laelth Jun 2013 #48
Tin foil hat moment nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #47
At this strange moment in history, I think a tinfoil hat is appropriate. Laelth Jun 2013 #67
Yup... it is one of those moments nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #68
I hear you. Laelth Jun 2013 #72
I like this comment from Proteus at the Wired link: Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #50
It sounds incredibly expensive... sibelian Jun 2013 #51
It is incredibly expensive. Laelth Jun 2013 #52
James Bamford is a giant. Octafish Jun 2013 #54
Yes, he is. Laelth Jun 2013 #63
Thank you, Laelth! Octafish Jun 2013 #66
the comments section is definitely worth reading nt grasswire Jun 2013 #59
I agree. The comments are fascinating. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #65
maybe THIS is what Snowden was warning us about ultimately grasswire Jun 2013 #60
And this from the Reddit thread octoberlib Jun 2013 #69
K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #71
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